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ReunionTalk Digest messages for July 2002
Date: July 01, 2002
From: Karrie Converse-Jones
Subject: cousin conflict
I have an ancestor who married a first cousin in the 1700s. Their
offspring is a direct relation to me. Is there some way I can note this
so that the Descendent charts do not print all following generations
twice?
thanks!
karrie
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From: Mark
Subject: Exporting
Thanks for everyone's earlier suggestions about adoptive name changes. But
here's another query. I have a cousin who's interested in receiving family
info from me. How do I send him a Gedcom file of the half of my family he
belongs to? I want to include all siblings and cousins, but have not found
an easy way to do this without painstakingly going through and marking many
individuals. Any hints for a faster way?
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Date: July 01, 2002
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Copyright information
Wayne Dreier <wayne_dreier@xxx_com> wrote, quoting Kathleen Much, I think:
***
> ***
> > I was also not allowed to correct the information or to append my
> > standard copyright notice
> ***
>
> It is hard for me to understand why people are surprised that items
> contributed to websites are shared by others. Isn't the reason it was
> contributed to make it available for others to see and use?
***
Sure, but I think one of Kathleen's subtle distinctions (which I
wholeheartedly support, BTW) is that there's a difference between
citing another's work and stripping off all the information about the
original source. It's a drag to do good scholarship only to find it
stripped of all its real worth in some "shovel-ware" site.
I've no objection to others using my information *IF* they cite me.
It's less an ego issue than a public service issue. I don't want
others to waste the time I took to track some datum to its lair, and
I want the lair documented before I accept someone else's research
for inclusion in my Reunion data.
-Ted
tjswift@xxxxxxx_edu
Hydrologic Sciences, UCD
530-752-2913, 752-3350 fax
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Date: July 01, 2002
From: momdad
Subject: Re: Finding Places
***
> I had a place bookmarked before my computer crashed that would give you
> the county that a city was in. I have tired different ways to find it
> again but I can't. I remember that you typed in the city and state and
> it gave you the name of the county. Does anyone know what that web
> address was?
***
This is probably overkill after all the great replies you have already
rcvd, but I have always relied on the US Geodesic Survey form site at:
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form
This site will tell you stuff you never even thought of for any political
or geogeaphic featue in the US, will indicate 'historical only' data and it
is certified official as well.
Darryl W. DOCKINS
Alliance NE
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Date: July 01, 2002
From: Chip G.
Subject: Re: Shared Material
Wayne Dreier wrote:
***
> It is hard for me to understand why people are surprised that items
> contributed to websites are shared by others. Isn't the reason it was
> contributed to make it available for others to see and use?
>
> If interested, I direct you to the past several issues of the NGS
> Newsmagazine where the issue of copyright and proper use of material is
> addressed.
***
Wayne,
I think the point is that the individual shared material in one
location and it was then transferred to another PAY TO SEE sight. I
have a little problem with someone selling MY work. I will freely
give my work, but not if you're going to make profit from it. I also
think it's terminally unfair for you to publish my data and not allow
me to make corrections to it, especially if you (correctly) give me
credit for the (now erroneous) material.
Thanks,
Chip - n1mie@xxxx_net
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Date: July 01, 2002
From: Byron C. Mayes
Subject: Re: Unmarried status
Arkivemom@xxx_com wrote...
***
> Why is there not an option for unmarried people? I read the manual and
> it states that marital status is for couples not individuals. When I
> send family group sheets to others without a "never married" status it
> appears that I possibly have not determined the spouse. Does anybody
> else concern themself with this?
***
When I enter a person known to have married, but I don't have the
name of the spouse, I enter the spouse thus:
First name: Spouse of Chris
Last name: Mayes
...assuming the known person is named Chris Mayes. This separates the
"known marrieds without spouse name" from the "never marrieds" and
"status unknowns," and a first name sort puts every spouse that I
still need to research together. I use a flag to differentiate the
remaining two groups: known "never marrieds" are the smaller bunch in
my file, so they get the flag.
Anyone left without a spouse or a flag is of unknown status. A "Find
anything" search ("Never married checked = no" AND "# of spouses less
than 1") locates all of those unknowns.
As with anything that is out of the ordinary, I explain what I've
done when sharing with others.
Byron
Byron C. Mayes, MM
bcmayes@xxx_net
http://members.dca.net/bcmayes/
Owner: Black Info Professionals' Network
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: John Surr
Subject: Converting Descendant Report to Excel Spreadsheet
Dear Reuners,
a. I've been asked to create a directory of the more than 180
descendants of our great-grandfather, to supplement and update the
Descendant Report that I reprinted for them last year. This year I'd
like to dump all the data I've put into Reunion, and put it into an
Excel spreadsheet that I can then "slice and dice" to produce an
alphabetical directory, labels, an e-mail list, etc. The directions to
do this in the on-line manual are very sketchy, and I didn't see the
option come up to export to Excel when I prepared and formatted the
Descendant Report. When the report came up in Word, it was
tab-delimited, but there was no way I could get the various categories
pertaining to each person (e.g., birth date, address, etc.) into
separate columns, except by cutting and pasting each cell in the table.
There must be an easier way, isn't there? Any advice would be much
appreciated.
b. Also, when I did the Descendant Report, I couldn't get it to
include the "notes" where I put all the juicy stuff about what people
did besides have "events, procreate, worship, learn, and work. How do I
get the "notes" in?
c. I've also been trying unsuccessfully to use Reunion to produce a
vertical family tree chart that looks like family trees that I see
published everywhere else. This is the one with patriarch/matriarch at
the top, and siblings branching off at successive levels down, perhaps
with a little vertical offset in a generation for large groups of
siblings whose names otherwise would result in multiple pages. Is there
any easy way to do this?
Maybe I'm a little thick. But maybe others have shared this
dilemma. Thanks for any help.
John Surr
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: CraigTen
Subject: Copying Family Cards for e-mailing
I want to send a copy of a family card by e-mail. When I open it in
Ahnentafel or Tiny Tafel it opens in Appleworks 6. I would prefer Microsoft
Word. How do I change the WP? When I try to copy the AW version it only
copies the title. What is the best way to do this?
Craig A. TenBroeck
craigten@xxx_com
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Frank M. Jackson
Subject: Life Expectancy Calculation
The manual tells me that there is a "life expectancy" button on the
"ages" window. I don't find it. I open "ages" under "List" but don't
find any such button. Must be there somewhere ! Help !!
F Jackson
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Philpott Peter
Subject: places
There have been many good suggestions on web sites for U.S. cities and
counties. What web sites are available for cities and
counties/regions/provinces/ etc. in foreign countries? And to further
expand the question, are there good web sites for locating historic places,
towns, abbey, castle, fort, extinct town, etc.? For example, if someone dies
in some battle in England, or in some now ruined abbey, how can we further
find the place?
Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Kathleen Much
Subject: Re: Copyright information
Several people noted that it's annoying to find one's own work on a
pay site without any source noted. Others said I shouldn't mind my
work being disseminated if I had previously shared it with anyone
else.
Just to make my point clear: I have never put my research on a public
website. I have shared portions of it with individual researchers by
email and by snail mail, with the notation that it was always to have
my copyright notice attached if passed on to another.
Here is the notice that I attach to Reunion reports or other materials
I share (and that was stripped out of my materials on the FTM site):
"Copyright 2002 Kathleen Much
"Copying is permitted for noncommercial, educational use by individual
scholars and libraries. This message must appear on all copied
material. Any other use, including electronic reproduction or
distribution, requires written permission of the author."
If anyone wants to adopt my wording of the notice, be my guest.
Kathleen Much
kathleen@xxxxx_stanford.edu
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: glennfrank
Subject: Re: cousin conflict
Karrie Converse-Jones <kconvers@xxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> I have an ancestor who married a first cousin in the 1700s. Their
> offspring is a direct relation to me. Is there some way I can note this
> so that the Descendent charts do not print all following generations
> twice?
***
Hi Karrie,
I too have some cousin intermarriage in my line... (most people do if they
go back far enough)... I have two Great Grandmothers who were sisters. Thus
I have one less set of Great Great Grandparents (their parents).
As far as I know there is no way to get Reunion, or any other geneaology
program to chart our trees without showing the duplications of the lines
that are common.
What I end up doing is manually editing the chart I get out of reunion to
delete one line and put the two that link next to each other... and connect
them with a line. Until programing can get much more sofisticated in order
to handle duplicate removal for the purpose of charting... I think that is
about as good as it gets.
Glenn Frank
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: cousin conflict
Glenn and Karrie,
Unless I've misunderstood your dilema, I've got good news for both of
you. You can have duplicate lines trimmed from your charts
automatically.
For example, when you choose Create -> Pedigree Chart, the Pedigree
Chart window has a Remove Duplicates checkbox under the Prune
heading. Check the Remove Duplicates checkbox and click Chart. The
resulting chart will have duplicate lines removed and will show two
asterisks ** to mark the places where the duplicates would begin. One
of these places will show the line (because it should be shown once)
and the other will end with the box containing the two asterisks.
You have the same option when creating a descendant chart. The
relative chart does this trimming without giving you the option
(because if it weren't trimmed, the chart could become too large very
quickly). The fan chart leaves the duplicates in (because including
duplicates won't change the size of the chart). The nature of the
timeline chart eliminates duplicates from the start.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: betlus
Subject: Re: Exporting
Mark on exporting a specific line go to the oldest member of the family.
Then go to Mark and select Dependents of and check that box. Then when
you go to Export a GEDCON select marked people only. It will get most
of the line.
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Exporting (GEDCOM)
"Mark" <marko6@xxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> I have a cousin who's interested in receiving family info from me. How
> do I send him a Gedcom file of the half of my family he belongs to? I
> want to include all siblings and cousins, but have not found an easy way
> to do this without painstakingly going through and marking many
> individuals. Any hints for a faster way?
***
Depending on what you mean by "half" and what you mean by
"all...cousins", you can automate the painstaking marking somewhat.
But yes, using Marks is probably the best way. I think perhaps the
best place to start your Marking strategy is to decide the most
meaningful connection between you and this cousin.
Again, depending on the shape of your tree, you might find it
easier to *mark and delete* the branches you *don't* want to send,
rather than marking and exporting the ones you *do* want to send. BUT
do this on a COPY of your master data file, of course!!! When you're
done pruning, export the "survivors". Check around for unconnected
individuals who may have been the unfortunate spouse of a person
marked for deletion, but not deleted themselves.
You've brought up the problem of how to mark more than just the
descendants or ancestors of a person or couple. Limiting the number
of generations may help, but the dialog box still limits you to the
direct descendants or ancestors (and their spouses, if you choose).
My way around this is to then mark the UNmarked people who have a
marked ancestor or descendant, perhaps repeating that step, in order
to "accrete" the desired additional people. For instance:
* If I've marked direct ancestors, I may want to add the siblings by
marking all those who have marked parents. One more cycle of this
gets all the first cousins of the direct ancestors (but not
necessarily their spouses...)
* If I've marked direct descendants and their spouses, I can pick up
the spouses' parents by marking those with one or more marked
children.
This breaks down with some of the more odd arrangements that some
of us may have, such as spouses of those marked in the previous two
examples: You'd then need to take a step of marking spouses of marked
people. And the parents of those spouses? Another "accretion" step.
Yes, this automates the process somewhat, but is bound to leave out
a few people.
-Ted
tjswift@xxxxxxx_edu
Hydrologic Sciences, UCD
530-752-2913, 752-3350 fax
------------------------------
Date: July 02, 2002
From: Sharon L Knoblock
Subject: Re: Finding Places
Darryl W. DOCKINS <momdad@xxxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> ...I have always relied on the US Geodesic Survey form site at:
>
> http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form
>
> This site will tell you stuff you never even thought of for any
> political or geogeaphic featue in the US, will indicate 'historical
> only' data and it is certified official as well.
***
Be careful this site gives present day locations. I had family that
lived in Belfast, Lee Co., Iowa, in GNIS it list Belfast in Henry Co.,
Iowa. and Yes I am sure of the location I had cousins that lived there.
Sharon
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Life Expectancy Calculation
Hi Frank,
From the manual...
"Life expectancy is calculated for people up to 110 years of age who
don't have death date entries."
Since Reunion will only calculate life expectancy for these people,
the Life Expectancy button is only shown when the Ages window is
focused on a person who fits those qualifications. The button is
hidden whenever it doesn't apply.
I hope that clears things up.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: pictures automatically in charts?
In Yesterday's digest, Martin Obrist <martin.obrist@xxx_ch> wrote...
***
> I try to create a family chart, where all person boxes are accompanied
> by the picture of the person. Is there a slicker way than going through
> the 'get picture' procedure for every person? I didn't find hints in the
> manual nor the web archives...
***
You'll have to use the 'get picture' procedure for each person.
By the way, in case anyone isn't aware of it, this is the procedure
Martin is talking about it. When you have created a chart, click on
the the pair of black triangles in the top-right corner of a chart
box. This opens a pop-up menu, from there choose Get Picture ->
PictureName (where PictureName is the name of the desired picture).
Of course, before you can do this, you will have to create a link to
a picture in this person's multimedia window.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
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Date: July 02, 2002
From: David Morrison
Subject: Re: Scanning slides and archiving them
Karl A. Lacher <lache02@xxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> Since my intention is to archive my files for my descendants, I have
> concluded that "tiff" is probably the best for archiving. I have
> scanned most of my b&w at a much lower resolution (200 dpi) and when I
> import them into my super charts, they look very nice (grayscale). Some
> of you are scanning b&w at 300 dpi. I tried this and, of course, the
> quality is better at 300 and space needs are not much different for
> b&w. I got several comments that differed on this point. I received
> a message today stating I should not need to scan higher than 300 dpi
> in tiff format, for printing purposes. I think he suggested scanning
> tiff to Photoshop Elements for editing and then converting to JPEG at
> Maximum quality, once finished working on it, to burn to the CD.
***
One thing to think about if you are archiving things for the long term is
whether the technology will be around in a few years to be able to read it
again. This is an issue that is challenging libraries and other archives
organisations right now.
Think for example of how a few years ago, you would have archived things on
diskettes, perhaps 400K single sided ones. Have you tried to read a floppy
recently? Many newer Macs do not even have a floppy drive. Even the later
ones that did have a floppy drive were not able to read single-sided disks
because support was removed in the Mac OS around 9.0.
At present, CDs seem to be a good fairly permanent mechanism for archiving
things like photos. But the effective lifetime of writable CDs is not known
accurately yet. Further, newer technologies (eg, DVD) are bringing CDs
closer to obsolescence.
So any archiving plan needs to take account of the need to periodically
"update the media" to something that will be around for a few more years.
And even this might be difficult, because by the time you realise it, you
may no longer have a CD drive!
Related to this is the format of the media and the files. We would probably
write most CDs in standard Apple HFS format. But only Macs can read this, so
maybe it would be better to write the CD in an industry standard format such
as ISO 9660. (You may need Roxio Toast to do this.) CDs written in this
format can be read by most computers and operating systems, so that even if
you no longer have a Mac (heaven forbid!), you should still be able to
access the files.
Note that ISO 9660 specifies that file names be in the terrible MS-DOS
format of 8 characters followed by a dot followed by 3 characters. Spaces
are not permitted. If you try to use longer names, they get mangled into
something that fits this format. It would therefore be better to pick a
naming convention for your files that complies with this.
In a similar vein, Stuffit's compression format is proprietary, and only
Aladdin products can read the Stuffit archive files as far as I know.
(Aladdin is the developer of Stuffit.) So if Aladdin happens to go broke,
it is possible that there may be no way to unstuff all those archive files.
For this reason, it may be better to stick to plain format files that comply
with standards (ie, TIFF or JPEG) even at the expense of needing more disks.
Now all of this is speculation, but if you are concerned about long term
archiving, these issues need to be considered.
Regards
David
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: Ted and Freda Noble
Subject: List of children's names??
An easy one for those who know how...I am often asked for a list of a
couple's children with birth and death dates. Is there any way to
construct such a list without having to type each name and date
individually? If this is in the manual, I can't find it. Thank you.
Freda
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Date: July 03, 2002
From: Paula Goodfellow
Subject: Places
I've had great success with using google to find places that my ancestors
were from. It's important to try all the spellings that you know of, and if
the place is in a country with a language other than English, then you
should figure out the correct spelling in that language. For example if I
search for my great grandmother's hometown, Bøvling, Denmark, I might find
one or two sites using the horrible English spelling of Bovling, but if I
used Bøvling, I'll get a lot more sites. If I type in "Bøvling Kirke",
Bøvling church, I'll get some lovely sites with pictures of their beautiful
1000 year old church. Genealogy is so much more fun this way-- seeing the
actual places they came from. You also may stumble upon transcriptions of
town records that way. If you are looking for a place name that is two or
more words, it's helpful to enclose those words in quotes "Tiviot Dale
Chapel" will give you more specific results that Tiviot Dale Chapel without
quotes. Paula
PS I just got back from a trip to England, and spent a couple of days there
looking up churches where my ancestors were baptised, buried, or married.
Didn't find any headstones, but had a lot of fun seeing where we came from.
I found a lot of those church addresses on google.
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: LinRoberts
Subject: Re: Converting Descendant Report to Excel Spreadsheet
surr@xxx_com wrote...
***
> When the report came up in Word, it was tab-delimited, but there was no
> way I could get the various categories pertaining to each person (e.g.,
> birth date, address, etc.) into separate columns, except by cutting and
> pasting each cell in the table. There must be an easier way, isn't
> there?
***
Mark the people you want to export. Then from the File menu, choose Export,
then Export Test. At this point you get a screen to select the fields you
want to export. When you have selected the ones you want, click Export.
Then -- open Excel. Then open the file you just exported. You will get I
think 3 screens where you click Next, Next and Finish. Now you have all
your data in its appropriate columns and you can do all the slicing and
dicing you want.
Linda Roberts
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: William Herndon
Subject: Re: Copyright information
Wayne Dreier <wayne_dreier@xxx_com> wrote...
***
> ...It is hard for me to understand why people are surprised that items
> contributed to websites are shared by others. Isn't the reason it was
> contributed to make it available for others to see and use?
>
> If interested, I direct you to the past several issues of the NGS
> Newsmagazine where the issue of copyright and proper use of material is
> addressed.
***
I'm sorry, but this is not the point.
Like any academic pursuit, genealogy should be subject to the same
rigorous standards as any type of historical research. If a genealogist
has done the work, made the connections, documented the sources, and
then been good enough to place it on the Internet...or anywhere else for
that matter, then it is incumbent on people who use that work to cite
the original.
The fact that it's on the Internet is irrelevant.
Shared? Sure, but give credit where credit is due. Copying another's
hard work without proper citation is plagiarism pure and simple.
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Exporting
Hi Mark,
One way to export one side of the family is to do find the relatives
of the head of a family branch, mark those people, and then export
the marked people.
For example, let's suppose that you want to export a Gedcom file with
only your father's side of the family. Go to your father's family
card and choosing Find -> Relatives. In the Identify tab, select your
father's name and click Identify. Click close (you can come back
later and change the source person to whomever it was). Now, choose
Find -> Mark Groups. Select the People Related to... option, check
Unmark Everybody First and Mark Spouses. Click Mark, then click Close.
Now all the blood relatives of your father are marked (along with
their spouses). If you want to include the relatives of the spouses,
they will have to be added manually. Export a Gedcom file of the
marked people and you are done.
One thing to be aware of. If your mother and father are distant
cousins, then part of your mother's line will be included also (the
part of her line related by blood to your father).
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: Lee Irwin
Subject: Re: places
Philpott Peter <Peter.Philpott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> There have been many good suggestions on web sites for U.S. cities and
> counties. What web sites are available for cities and
> counties/regions/provinces/ etc. in foreign countries? And to further
> expand the question, are there good web sites for locating historic
> places, towns, abbey, castle, fort, extinct town, etc.? For example, if
> someone dies in some battle in England, or in some now ruined abbey, how
> can we further find the place?
***
A good place to start is with Cyndi's List:
<http://www.cyndislist.com/maps.htm>. Sites in this list that are
gazetteers will be the best for name searches. Some map sites may also have
search features.
My favorite for Great Britain is The Gazetteer of British Place Names:
<www.gazetteer.co.uk>. If you have a place name, it will list the counties
in which it occurs. It also lets you use fuzzy-logic spelling by use of
wildcards.
A comprehensive (but not so detailed) gazetteer for cities and towns is the
Global Gazetteer: <www.calle.com.world/>. But it just gives you location by
longitude, latitude and altitude, no information on location within
political units like counties, provinces, etc. You also can't search names
of these other political units.
Lee Irwin
Falls Church, VA
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: Rowan Fairgrove
Subject: Re: Scanning slides and archiving them
David Morrison <David_Morrison@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> Note that ISO 9660 specifies that file names be in the terrible MS-DOS
> format of 8 characters followed by a dot followed by 3 characters.
> Spaces are not permitted. If you try to use longer names, they get
> mangled into something that fits this format. It would therefore be
> better to pick a naming convention for your files that complies with
> this.
***
Everything David said is quite true, but I did want to
mention that you can use Joliet Names on an ISO 9660 disk
so that you can have your longer names/spaces. This means
it can't be read by DOS machines but anything after Win95
should be fine. And *do* remember to put dot extensions on
the names - otherwise the PC folks can't tell what kind of
program to use to open them. (I found this out the hard way
doing a CD for a recent family reunion - luckily whilst
still in the testing stage so that everyone did wind up
with a readable disk!)
Rowan
(who still has things "archived" on unreadable 8" floppies,
unreadable syquest disks and other fun places. *sigh*)
------------------------------
Date: July 03, 2002
From: Tom Robinson
Subject: Re: Scanning slides and archiving them
Just a couple of points on David's helpful suggestion:
***
> We would probably write most CDs in standard Apple HFS format. But only
> Macs can read this ...
> Note that ISO 9660 specifies that file names be in the terrible MS-DOS
> format of 8 characters followed by a dot followed by 3 characters
***
I don't remember about OS 9, but under X when you insert a blank CD there's
only 3 format options: Standard, MP3, and iTunes. Standard is listed
as "HFS+/ISO 9660". I regularly create these CDs and transfer them from Mac to
PC with no issues - including long filenames.
I believe OS X is creating hybrid CDs, where the data is only stored once but
there's 2 different indexes to it (Mac + PC).
***
> For this reason, it may be better to stick to plain format files that
> comply with standards (ie, TIFF or JPEG) even at the expense of needing
> more disks.
***
If you use the default options when creating JPEGs and TIFFs they'll be
internally compressed anyway, and an external program may only add 5-10%
compression.
Cheers
------------------------------
Date: July 04, 2002
From: Marympw
Subject: Importing FTM GEDCOM files
I have the original IMac running OS 8.1. I purchased FTM for Mac a few
years ago thinking it would be upgraded. After reading about and trying the
demo for Reunion, I'm sold. I plan to purchase a new IMac OS X in a few
months but am anxious to get started with Reunion prior to that as there
doesn't seem to be a definite release date for Reunion for OS X.
In preparation, and wanting a smooth transfer of my data, I have read the
instructions for exporting GEDCOM files from FTM for Mac. To avoid a
problem, could you tell me which type of file I should create with these
choices: ANSTFILE, NPS, PAF, ROOTS, FTW (for Mac or Windows) or FTM (for
DOS).
They state that FTW offers the most complete export, however it also
states if the program you are exporting to is not listed, choose PAF.
Also, Version 5 is available in the GEDCOM field.
I'm looking forward to getting off to a smooth start with Reunion! Thank
you for your help. Mary Walker
------------------------------
Date: July 04, 2002
From: Normand Frenette
Subject: Re: Canadian places
For Canadian places, look to http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca.
For maps, look to http://maps.NRCan.gc.ca.
Normand Frenette
nfrenette@xxxx_utoronto.ca
http://www.oise.utoronto.ca/~nfrenette
------------------------------
Date: July 04, 2002
From: William Taber
Subject: Re: Copying Family Cards for e-mailing
Craig A. TenBroeck <CraigTen@xxx_com> wrote...
***
> I want to send a copy of a family card by e-mail. When I open it in
> Ahnentafel or Tiny Tafel it opens in Appleworks 6. I would prefer
> Microsoft Word. How do I change the WP? When I try to copy the AW
> version it only copies the title. What is the best way to do this?
***
Craig,
Go to Options->Reports
scroll down to "Word Processor" in the left pain, then pick your word
processor.
------------------------------
Date: July 04, 2002
From: Susan D. Engle
Subject: re exporting GEDCOM
Here's another approach to exporting a whole branch.
I began my computerized genealogy 2 yrs ago with four separate family
files, one for each of my parents, and one for each of my husband's
parents. A year ago I decided to combine them all into one big file.
Before I did this, I created a "flag" using the three initials of,
for example, my mother, and under Options, "set" the flag to her
initials for everyone in that tree. I did this process for the other
three trees. To update my single (combined families) tree, every so
often I go through and make sure I have a flag for every name, using
the "find anything" using the multiple criteria feature (I have to
re-figure this out each time, but it does work.)
Then, whenever I wish to have everyone from one of these four
branches, including those not actually connected to the tree
(unrelated individuals or groups without a specifically known
relationship), I simply "find" a particular flag, "mark" all those
individuals, then export a GEDCOM of marked individuals.
I prefer to do four individual GEDs when transferring to MyRoots in
my Palm - I can name each of the four files before choosing the final
"import" in my Palm. Then I can select one of four family names, to
more quickly scroll to or "find" a particular name.
Susan
------------------------------
Date: July 04, 2002
From: Charles Dimmick
Subject: Single Parents
Hope someone has a suggestion,
How do you record the details of single parents?
My daughter has a son but did not marry his father.
She is living with a partner who treats her son as if he was his real
father, there is no mention of marriage.
They like millions of other single parents my not ever get married.
I am using Reunion Version 5.
Thanks
Charles cadimmick@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 05, 2002
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Importing FTM GEDCOM files
***
> I have the original IMac running OS 8.1. I purchased FTM for Mac a few
> years ago thinking it would be upgraded.
> In preparation, and wanting a smooth transfer of my data, I have
> read the instructions for exporting GEDCOM files from FTM for Mac. To
> avoid a problem, could you tell me which type of file I should create
> with these choices: ANSTFILE, NPS, PAF, ROOTS, FTW (for Mac or Windows)
> or FTM (for DOS).
> They state that FTW offers the most complete export, however it also
> states if the program you are exporting to is not listed, choose PAF.
> Also, Version 5 is available in the GEDCOM field.
***
First of all, I would select the latest version of GEDCOM they offer
(Reunion 7 exports both 4.0 and 5.5; I wonder if your FTW is really
exporting 5.0 or 5.5?). I can offer less advice about destination
type, though I think you can safely narrow your choices to PAF FTM,
and FTW, though I'll be honest and admit I don't recognize NPS.
One thing to try is simply export one of each type (giving each a
distinct file name, of course), import each into a new blank Reunion
file, and compare the results. This assumes you don't have a *huge*
data file, where the export and import steps would take days.
-Ted
------------------------------
Date: July 05, 2002
From: sbmason
Subject: Single Parents
Charles <cadimmick@xxxxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> How do you record the details of single parents?
>
> My daughter has a son but did not marry his father.
>
> She is living with a partner who treats her son as if he was his real
> father, there is no mention of marriage.
>
> They like millions of other single parents my not ever get married.
***
I have a divorced daughter (no children) who is now living with a man in
what they consider to be a permanent relationship with no plans to marry. I
have him listed on the spouse card but on the marriage card I chose the "not
married" option. I now refer to him as: spouse, not married.
S. B. Mason
------------------------------
Date: July 06, 2002
From: Reiner L. Sauer
Subject: Language plug-in for Reunion 8
Recently, I received the news that the next Reunion 8 version for
MacOS 9, as well as the next Reunion version for MacOS X will
continue to allow foreign language plug-ins in a similar fashion as
the present version does.
Whereas this is basically good news, I wonder why Leister still
doesn't cater to the non-English speaking community with options to
install the program in either German, Spanish, French, or Dutch just
to name a few. Or why Leister doesn't provide a plug-in as part of
the basic installation package (or as a chargeable item).
Although free-ware or share-ware plug-ins are a great idea and a
great help, there's always a substantial delay between the release of
the newest Reunion version, and a workeable plug-in. Additionally,
there always the risk that an upgrade to the language plug-in may not
become available at all.
There is certainly a sufficiently large market for Leister to make
language versions. Evidence of this demand is that foreign language
plug-ins (German, French, Dutch and Spanish) are being develped since
years. There's even a commercial German version of Generations
availble in German. Every time, I demonstrate Reunion with the
German language plug-in to the members of the genealogical society, I
get excellent responses.
I hope that Leister Productions follows the example of MacOS X soon,
which now allows language-specific installations.
May be the folks at Leister can share with us their future plans
about such develpments.
Until then, I wish to thank the developers of Reunion plug-ins, who
dedicate their valuable time (mostly free of charge) so that we can
use Reunion either in our native language or produce reports and
charts for those many friends and relatives interested in genealogy,
but who don't read English.
Regards
Reiner
Reiner L. Sauer, 2 Kim Seng Walk # 19/09, Singapore 239404, Singapore
E-mail: SauerR@xxxxxxx_com * SauerR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx_com *
Info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx_com
Web: http://www.schevenhuette.com
Home: 65-6-722-7505 * Mob.: 65-9-751-4005 * Bus.: 65-6-423-8271
------------------------------
Date: July 06, 2002
From: jelfjelf
Subject: Marriage status
To most of you who are searching for a method of stating that someone is
married or unmarried, etc., go to any person's family card, click on the
marriage bar, look on the left at status, click on it. Surprise, there it
is. The status is placed at the bottom of the family card.
------------------------------
Date: July 07, 2002
From: Wayne Dreier
Subject: Re: Information Sharing
Kathleen Much <kathleen@xxxxx_stanford.edu> wrote:
***
> Just to make my point clear: I have never put my research on a public
> website. I have shared portions of it with individual researchers by
> email and by snail mail, with the notation that it was always to have
> my copyright notice attached if passed on to another.
***
My point exactly. Any sharing public or private is subject to this type
of misuse. If you never posted it, how did it get there? The logical
conclusion is that it was placed there either directly or inadvertently
by someone else who may have already stripped your notice from it before
the commercial site ever obtained it. Does that make it right? Certainly
not!
I too heard from persons about this issue. All of them quoted my first
paragraph and replied to it. No one commented on my second point about
the series of articles in the NGS Newsmagazine. That series, IMHO, is
very important to put into perspective what can and cannot be
copyrighted; what, if anything, can be done about it, etc.
Wayne Dreier
NW Ohio Research
------------------------------
Date: July 07, 2002
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Re: List of Children
Ted and Freda Noble <tnoble@xxx_org> wrote:
***
> An easy one for those who know how...I am often asked for a list of a
> couple's children with birth and death dates. Is there any way to
> construct such a list without having to type each name and date
> individually? If this is in the manual, I can't find it. Thank you.
***
Freda,
One possibility: click on the children button to bring up a list exactly
as you describe. Then use command/shift/4 to make a screenshot of just
the relevant window. Open this tiff file in any image application, and
print.
Regards,
Margit Kristiansen
margit@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 07, 2002
From: KADaggett
Subject: Re: Single Parents
I guess it depends on how you want your records to be "viewed." As a
geneological or as a "social" record. Personally I "tell it like it is"
since I don't distribute "unfiltered" information that I have put together.
There is no such thing as a "single" parent, at least not for a couple of
thousand years. The kid has two parents (at least biologically) and I
record it as such. Describe in your notes the facts of the case. The
"partner" can be listed in your records as "unrelated" but again described
in your notes. It would seem that we have to be a bit "flexible" but I
chose to treat my records more along the lines of biology first and
"over-laying" legal ties where they occur. It can be a bit of a tangle
sometimes.
Ken
------------------------------
Date: July 07, 2002
From: Frank Mitchell
Subject: Sources in descendant report
I created a Descendant Report with the 'include sources' box checked.
The resultant report had 9 sources marked as superscripts in the report,
but only the first 5 sources were listed in the endnotes at the bottom.
This occurs whether on not I 'renumber sources'.
This is with Reunion 7.05, and the same thing happens on both my Power PC
8600 with Mac OS 7.6.1 and my G3 Power Book (firewire) with Mac OS 9.04
I can't find an explanation in the manual - can anyone explain this?
Thanks,
Frank
Frank Mitchell, Scottsdale, Arizona
M&LFHS member #0756
fmitchel@xxxx_org
Fax: (480) 951-5249
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: Fishell
Subject: Daguerreotypes
My father and I just came across an old trunk of family material that
included, much to my delight, a daguerreotype of my GG grandmother,
taken in Ohio. This is the only photo that we have of her. Does
anybody have any advice on getting a digital image of this? We've
been trying to photograph it but since the picture is only visible
from one angle and it's in a glass frame which reflects light, we
haven't been able to get a good take yet. Is it possible to scan a
daguerreotype or will it be damaged?
All help would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Julianne Fishell
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: Sudhir ntl
Subject: Fonts In Reunion Charts
I am preparing some family charts - and in one of the charts there is a lot
of text.
I am using Verdana font (size 12 for 1st Line and 10 for subsequent lines).
Whilst the Reunion Chart is easy to read when displayed on screen - it
seems To lose the clarity when converted to a PDF document and subsequently
viewed on screen.
Can other experienced users guide me to the best fonts to use - for viewing
Reports that are converted to PDF -rather than being printed?
Thank you
Sudhir Maroo
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: BonnieGaia
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
Julianne Fishell <jfishell@xxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> My father and I just came across an old trunk of family material that
> included, much to my delight, a daguerreotype of my GG grandmother,
> taken in Ohio. This is the only photo that we have of her. Does anybody
> have any advice on getting a digital image of this? We've been trying to
> photograph it but since the picture is only visible from one angle and
> it's in a glass frame which reflects light, we haven't been able to get
> a good take yet. Is it possible to scan a daguerreotype or will it be
> damaged?
***
Dear Julianne,
I am no antique photo expert, but I am sure there must be one in this
group--or elsewhere online...
I too had a daguerreotype among the old family photos--also from Ohio--,
and viewable only at an angle. However, with a copy camera (do you have
access to a good SLR with a lens for taking closeups and a tripod?-- if
not, you could have it professionally copied --not at the local camera
store, but a pro shop -- which might be a good idea, anyway, as you may
wish this to be the "best ever" copy.
However, if you want to try it yourself as I did, you can use a camera with
a macro lens, prop up the dag at angle for proper viewing, and take several
copies (perhaps an entire short roll of 12?) for you and relatives.
DON'T mess with the frame-- at least this is my instinct. I included the
frame in my picture.
Mine came out good enough for a 4 x 5 photo.
If you are dissatisfied or you want to maximize quality for big
enlargments-- you might want go to a professional lab where they will
retain the most detail. You might want both film photograph AND a high res
and a low res digital scan if you go to a pro and they say they will scan
for you too.
Good luck!
Bonnie in Oakland, California
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: GaryADickey
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
Scanning a daguerreotype should not hurt it. It was made with light!
However, have you tried photographing it with a polarizing filter to take
out the glare? I have shot many a daguerreotype in this fashion with
close-up lens and they came out as good (if not better=E2=80=94is that
possible?) as the original.
Dr. Gary Alan Dickey
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: Sheila Jo Genser att
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
I have scanned several daguerreotypes and they came out great. However, I
didn't scan them through glass. I doubt it will come out very good
scanning through glass because of reflection and also the picture not being
flat on the scanner. After scanning the picture, I then placed the picture
back in the frame with UV (ultraviolet) glass that I purchased from a frame
shop; this should save the fading of the picture.
Sheila Genser djgenser@xxxxxxxx_att.net
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: aepalmer
Subject: Re: Fonts In Reunion Charts
Sudhir Maroo at smaroo@xxxxxxxx_com wrote:
***
> I am preparing some family charts - and in one of the charts there is a
> lot of text.
>
> I am using Verdana font (size 12 for 1st Line and 10 for subsequent
> lines).
>
> Whilst the Reunion Chart is easy to read when displayed on screen - it
> seems To lose the clarity when converted to a PDF document and
> subsequently viewed on screen.
>
> Can other experienced users guide me to the best fonts to use - for
> viewing Reports that are converted to PDF -rather than being printed?
***
IMHO verdana is not a very good font for either screen use or conversion to
pdf documents. If you want a sans serif font, try using ariel. For a serif
font, I find that any of the times or palatino fonts translate to pdf well.
hth, ymmv,
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: July 08, 2002
From: SKronen266
Subject: Sibling search
I am working on the JOHNS(T)ON(E) families of Islay, Argyll, Scotland and
there are many families with the same first names for the parents. And the
children's names are also mostly the same too. It would be nice if there
was some way I could search for other family members, say for example, a
John Johnston who has a sibling Archibald. This would cut down the number
of families I have to look at in detail when I find an unmarried John and
Archibald together on a census.
Sheila Kronenberger
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: rsage
Subject: ancestry
Has anyone had trouble opening the new program for the 1930 census on
Ancestry? I can open the other years but since last week with the new
program, I cannot get the census picture to open up.
I enjoy having the census on the web but ancestry does not seem to care if
their programs work with MAC's when they change something. Also there seems
no way to contact them to tell them something is not working.
Robert Sage
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: aepalmer
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
Julianne Fishell at jfishell@xxxxx_com wrote:
***
> My father and I just came across an old trunk of family material that
> included, much to my delight, a daguerreotype of my GG grandmother,
> taken in Ohio. This is the only photo that we have of her. Does
> anybody have any advice on getting a digital image of this? We've
> been trying to photograph it but since the picture is only visible
> from one angle and it's in a glass frame which reflects light, we
> haven't been able to get a good take yet. Is it possible to scan a
> daguerreotype or will it be damaged?
***
And
Sheila Genser <djgenser@xxxxxxxx_att.net> wrote...
***
> I have scanned several daguerreotypes and they came out great. However,
> I didn't scan them through glass. I doubt it will come out very good
> scanning through glass because of reflection and also the picture not
> being flat on the scanner. After scanning the picture, I then placed
> the picture back in the frame with UV (ultraviolet) glass that I
> purchased from a frame shop; this should save the fading of the picture.
***
Julianne and Sheila:
Nearly all Daguerreotypes were made of highly polished copper, silver
plated and finally coated with an emulsion. Very rarely would the entire
metal plate be made of silver as it was (and still is) expensive for such
purposes.
The image of a d-type is developed and "fixed" (made permanent) using
mercury vapor -- a highly posionous process. As such, an image made this
way is completely light fast and will last for many generations. The actual
chemical process converts silver halide (the light sensirive material in the
emulsion) to a silver-mercury compound which is completely insensitive to
light. Anything short of the light from an atomic blast will not affect the
image.
As others have said, the image is actually a negative and must be viewed at
specific angles to see a positive image. Moreover the actual image must be
handled with care as both the emulsion and the copper plate are susceptible
to scratches and other damage as are all photo emulsions.
BTW, there are a few people who actually make d-types today. Given the
posionous nature of the process, they use very expensive fuming hoods to
protect both themselves and the environment from the mercury vapors when
developing the images.
Cheers,
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Lorelei Gustafson
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
I've scanned ambrotypes, tintypes, and daguerreotypes, etc. --
absolutely no problems. No glare problem with glass; no damage to
originals. I used PhotoShop to touch up; the results are superb.
Lorelei Gustafson
CA
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Rob Partridge
Subject: RE: Daguerreotypes
Hi Julianne,
From www.daguerre.com the Daguerrian Society's FAQ:
The most difficult part in reproducing daguerreotypes is keeping the
mirror-like reflection down so you don't see the camera being reflected (on
ambrotypes and tintypes this is not as much of a problem).
The simplest way is to take a piece of cardstock about 10" square, cover it
with black velvet or velveteen and then cut out a hole in the center to
stick the lens through. This is assuming you have a copystand or at least a
tripod, as well as a close-up lens.
If you do not, any good photographer should be able to photograph the
image(s) for you. Here in Pittsburgh one of our major department stores has
a photo studio in their big downtown store that has been offering such a
copying service for many years and are probably experienced with
daguerreotypes. You might try your area.
An alternative method would be to scan the image on a computer. They often
turn out dark but, using a graphics program like Photoshop, they can be
lightened up. To do this you may wish to remove the image from the case.
Doing this will get the image closer to the scanner's glass and help keep
the focus sharp. Just gently pry the package (glass and all) out but do not
take the packet (glass, metal plate, etc.) apart. If the glass or mat is
loose, carefully put it back togeather and scan it case and all, read the
caution below.
Caution: No matter how you chose to reproduce the daguerreotypes, do not
take off the coverglass as the image is fragile and any damage (scratches,
fingerprints, etc.) would be permanent. This can be done but is best done
by someone with experience and with the proper materials to reseal the
daguerreotype properly to prevent future tarnishing. Ambrotypes and
tintypes are not as susceptible to damage but do be careful.
Regards,
Rob
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Robert Godfrey
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
First, is it a Daguerreotype or a tintype? The Daguerre process preceeded
the tintype process, and are rare. A Daguerreotype may be of some
intrinsic value besides genealogy. (I understand that Daguerreotypes were
generally made on silver or copper plates, while tintypes were on tin.
Daguerreotypes were processed with mercury vapor--quite hazardous to do!)
The problem in reproducing such an image is that it is actually a
negative. In order to see the image as a positive, the substrate beneath
the actual image must be relatively dark and the angle of incidence of
the light source changes as the angle of viewing changes. In other words,
the light must reflect off the negative portion of the image, making it
brighter than the background substrate.
Photographing such an image becomes a problem without exact lighting and
lens positioning. I'm doubtful that scanning would work well. If you have
a copy stand with color-balanced lights that are movable, you may be able
to succeed by moving the light to a location that produces a positive
image.
Note: If you try using two lights--one on either side of the photograph,
as in a normal copystand situation--it will probably not succeed. A soft
light source, such as light reflecting off a neutral white reflector, a
photo-umbrella, or translucent diffusion material might work out the
best, since it will help prevent specular reflections from the light
source on the recorded image. Since the image is probably small, you will
also need a good 50mm or 100mm macro lens--if you're using a 35mm film
camera--that can focus close-up without distortion. Also, it would be
infinitely easier if the image were not behind glass, due to the
additional reflections that the glass will produce.
If I recall, Eastman Kodak has a booklet on copy and restoration work
(possibly available via a well-supplied camera store or via the web),
which includes such challenges as this project.
It might be easier and more successful to use a professional photographer
who is in the business of copy and restoration, who also has had
experience with copying similar originals.
Best wishes!
Robert Godfrey
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Jim W. Tackitt, Pres./Editor
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes / Samples
Re: Daguerreotypes:
I have been working with Daguerreotypes, and most other types of
prints, for well over 30 years. You can see some samples of these
various historical processes in a "before" and "after" mode on my
website below:
http://home.attbi.com/~jimtackitt/00.TackittPhotographic/PhotoRetouching.01.html
Jim W. Tackitt, 1830 Johnson Dr., Concord, CA 94520;
<Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_com>
Tackett Assn. Website: <http://www.tackettfamilies.com>
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: ChrgrHorse
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes/tintypes, et al
***
> Photographing such an image becomes a problem without exact lighting
> and lens positioning. I'm doubtful that scanning would work well.
***
In my experience, we're making this too hard.
You DO have to watch out for reflections if you are photographing the
image, and of course the simplest way to avoid that is to take it out of
the frame.
Use a good single lens reflect camera, and take several exposures in good
lighting, and then scan in the one's you like.
Or if the image is small, just scan it in.
Doesn't matter if it appears as a 'negative.' Just run it thru Photoshop,
and you can make it better than it was originally.
My cousin e mailed me one, which arrived as a fairly large JPEG file, and
the image appeared black. You could just make out the figures beneath.
Photoshops performed its miracle, creating a 'positive' image, and bringing
out the detail.
It's incredible what can be done with a little patience, a lot of
imagination, and a great tool like Photoshop.
Most recently, a friend asked if the 'mesh' pattern that permeated an old
image could be removed. When he tried to enlarge the image, the pattern
seemed to get worst.
After a little 'fiddling' a little, I used the blur filter, then the
sharpen filter. Frankly, I hadn't really expected it to work, or at least
not quite so well. After a couple of passes however, the image was clear
and sharp, sans the 'mesh' pattern.
I adjusted the brightness and contrast, and that was that.
Just be careful with the original, and have fun with the copies!
Hal
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Marympw
Subject: Re: Importing Gedcom Files from FTM.
I downloaded Reunion today and was able to answer my own question about
exporting my Gedcom File from FTM for Mac. The manual has a page with
diagrams showing exactly what to do. The destination I had a question about
is "ROOTS."
Mary Walker
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Sources in descendant report
In yesterday's digest, Frank Mitchell <fmitchel@xxxx_org> wrote...
***
> I created a Descendant Report with the 'include sources' box checked.
>
> The resultant report had 9 sources marked as superscripts in the report,
> but only the first 5 sources were listed in the endnotes at the bottom.
> This occurs whether on not I 'renumber sources'.
>
> This is with Reunion 7.05...
***
Are you certain that those 9 citations in the report didn't all refer
to the 5 sources listed in the endnotes? That is one thing to check
on. If that doesn't resolve things, please send a note to
help@xxxxxxxxxx_com with more details on the problem.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Bill Williams
Subject: Re: VCD
I think you'll need to go to Toast Platinum 5.1.2 to create video CDs,
based on what I read in the manual for 5.1.2. Why not contact Roxio and
ask them?
Selah!
BWms
bwms@xxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: stupnski
Subject: Re: VCD
Charles DeVore <cdevore@xxxx_org> wrote:
***
> I hope that this is not too far off the topic for our listers. I wish to
> create CD's of some family pages and other charts to give as gifts to
> some family members. Some do not have computers. Can some of you
> 'experts' out there help me out. I have Reunion 7, on OS 9.2, with Toast
> 3.5.7. I understand that I might need something called a video CD
> authoring system to use with my Toast program. This is all new to me.
***
Charlie, I would strongly advise that you upgrade to Toast Titanium
(v5), since that does allow creation of VCDs. The latest version is
priced on Roxio's web site (www.roxio.com) at $89.95, but you may well
find it cheaper at a catalog web site. I think Toast v4 allowed VCDs as
well, but I'm not sure and can't find my old manual.
.............Mike
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Stephen
Subject: Report Name
What is the report style called that uses each individual's number like
this:
4. JOHANN JACOB4 BOHRER (CHRISTIAN3, PETER2, NIKOLAUS (KLAUS)1
BORREN/BOHREN/BOHRER) was born April 26, 1675 in Winzeln, Rhine Phalz,
Bavaria, and died July 7, 1739.
In this example the numbers following each person should be a superscript
character and refers to that person's number in the report. What is the
report called and can Reunion create such a report?
Does anyone know how to copy/past superscript text from MS Word into
Internet Explorer?
Stephen Bohrer
511 Runyan Ave
Dodge City, KS 67801
620-225-2921
Stephen@xxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 09, 2002
From: Charles DeVore
Subject: VCD
I hope that this is not too far off the topic for our listers. I wish to
create CD's of some family pages and other charts to give as gifts to
some family members. Some do not have computers. Can some of you
'experts' out there help me out. I have Reunion 7, on OS 9.2, with Toast
3.5.7. I understand that I might need something called a video CD
authoring system to use with my Toast program. This is all new to me.
Thanks for any advise.
Charlie
------------------------------
Date: July 10, 2002
From: Sue Phillips
Subject: Adobe GoLive 6.0 and Reunion
I'm switching my web publishing software from Dreamweaver to Adobe
GoLive 6.0, running under Mac OS X.
I've found that the index pages produced by Reunion 7.05 do not
display a portion of the left side of the page within GoLive itself,
making it difficult to make any changes to the actual name index. The
odd thing is that the index pages still display correctly when viewed
with a browser -- the problem only happens within the GoLive page
layout display itself.
Has anyone else encountered this oddity and found a solution?
Sue Phillips
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Date: July 10, 2002
From: Lorelei Gustafson
Subject: GoLive and Reunion
Sue Phillips <sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxx_net> wrote...
***
> I'm switching my web publishing software from Dreamweaver to Adobe
> GoLive 6.0, running under Mac OS X.
>
> I've found that the index pages produced by Reunion 7.05 do not
> display a portion of the left side of the page within GoLive itself,
> making it difficult to make any changes to the actual name index. The
> odd thing is that the index pages still display correctly when viewed
> with a browser -- the problem only happens within the GoLive page
> layout display itself.
>
> Has anyone else encountered this oddity and found a solution?
***
Yes. My workaround in GL is to delete all the text and copy it back in
Source mode (in a table). I haven't had the problem with Reunion
generated index pages but have had this happen with other sites I work
on. Why switch from DW?
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Date: July 10, 2002
From: Robert Godfrey
Subject: Re: Daguerreotype Copywork
Here's a solution that I've used for avoiding reflections from glass:
Use a camera with a bellows, such as an old press camera, or a view
camera. Using a copystand setup, with the camera aiming perpendicular to
the surface of the image, shift the lens a bit to the side.* This
requires moving the original to one side, also.
This technique keeps the image "square," preventing perspective
distortion. You can then place a soft light source at an appropriate
angle on the other side of the original to get the reflection needed off
the original's emulsion.
* Incidentally, this technique can also be used to photograph a mirror,
apparently head-on, but with no reflection of the photographer or camera!
The only clue as to how it was shot would be through close examination of
the details of the frame (since the picture would capture more of the
side of the frame nearest the camera than would happen in a straight-on
shot), if there is one around the original.
Robert Godfrey
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Date: July 10, 2002
From: Norm Hente
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes or Tintypes
I have not scanned Daguerreotypes but I have scanned Tintypes.
I found that you can do a very good job if you do a preview image. With the
image in preview mode you can adjust various grayscale sliders to get the
optimum picture before you scan. This works very well.
The same technique should work with Daguerreotypes providing you can scan
the actual image surface.
Some scanners have more depth-of-field than others and are able to do a
reasonable image even though it is not in full contact with the scanner
glass. Best of Wishes, Norm
Norman L. Hente
Granite City, IL
normhente@xxxxxxx_net
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Date: July 10, 2002
From: Bradley Mohr
Subject: Re: Fonts In Reunion Charts
"aepalmer" <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> IMHO verdana is not a very good font for either screen use or conversion
> to pdf documents. If you want a sans serif font, try using ariel. For a
> serif font, I find that any of the times or palatino fonts translate to
> pdf well.
***
At the risk of getting way off topic, there's an excellent article titled
"The Scourge of Arial" at <http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html>. I'm not
a designer, so the "scourge" part of the article was news to me, but it does
reveal how Arial came to be and why it's on everybody's computer these days.
Along the way, the article also manages to give a great history of the
PostScript vs. TrueType battle.
Brad
Brad Mohr
bmohr@xxxxxx_com
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Date: July 10, 2002
From: Carl Johnson
Subject: Re: GoLive 6.0 problems
Sue, I've encountered a number of anomalies in GoLive 6.0's display, and
haven't really found a way (or a need) to fix them, because when you
really look at the pages through a browser, they look just fine. This
is not limited to Reunion, but seems to happen when importing HTML code
from any other source. In a couple of cases, especially with tables,
I've found that monkeying with tags will fix things up, but it isn't
worth a big investment in time. Hopefully, Adobe will recognize this as
a bug, not a feature.
Carl Johnson
cjohnson@xxxxx_rr.com
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cjohnson
------------------------------
Date: July 10, 2002
From: Wayne Dreier
Subject: Re: Report Name
Stephen Bohrer in ReunionTalk Digest wrote:
***
> What is the report style called that uses each individual's number like
> this:
> 4. JOHANN JACOB4 BOHRER (CHRISTIAN3, PETER2, NIKOLAUS (KLAUS)1
> BORREN/BOHREN/BOHRER) was born April 26, 1675 in Winzeln, Rhine Phalz,
> Bavaria, and died July 7, 1739.
>
> In this example the numbers following each person should be a
> superscript
> character and refers to that person's number in the report. What is the
> report called and can Reunion create such a report?
***
Your example resembles the format used by The National Genealogical
Quarterly called a modified register format. However, in their format
the superscript numbers do not refer to the person number in the report
but to the generation number away from the immigrant. In your format,
Nikolaus would be the immigrant Peter his son, Christian his son, etc.
Generations before the immigrant also have a superscript number with a
minus sign in front of each.
Again, in your example, Johann identified as number 4 (without the
superscript) is the only one who has this number somewhere else in the
report.
Perhaps others can identify closer for you and specifically state
whether Reunion can generate such a report.
Wayne Dreier
NW Ohio Research
------------------------------
Date: July 11, 2002
From: Patdawson
Subject: Messages to Ancestry.com
Robert Sage has run into the same problem I did recently. The circuitous
route to the complaint desk at Ancestry.com is the following url:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?f=search&r=an&p=topics.ancestry&
application=public&query=census+images&filter=topics.ancestry
To get there, click on "Message Boards" at the top of their home page;
next, under "topics", click "more"; then click "Ancestry.com." In the
Search box, I typed "Images Online." When I got there, someone had already
written about the 1930 problem. It probably wouldn't hurt to repeat it.
I find that they pay a lot more attention to this message board than they
used to to individual messages. These are up for all to see! If my memory
serves me correctly, they even responded.
Pat Dawson
<patdawson@xxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: July 11, 2002
From: rparks
Subject: Re: Adobe GoLive 6.0 and Reunion
Sue,
The element in your source code that affects this is <DT> It is a
definition term used within a DL (Definition List) element. for some
reason it forces the surname off to the left.
It might be a quirk with GoLive 6.0 or with the HTML coding by the
Reunion program. Someone more familiar with HTML may be able to answer
this. I removed the <DT> element and you can see all of the indexing.
Bob
------------------------------
Date: July 12, 2002
From: nina bunin
Subject: appleworks
Can anyone clue me in on how to move files from Reunion 7 to Appleworks?
I'm using OS X.
Thanks,
Nina Bunin
------------------------------
Date: July 12, 2002
From: Margaret Maulin
Subject: Gedcom
I have not had any luck sending a Gedcom via email.
Can someone who has done this successfully, please send advice.
I would like to send a Gedcom to someone using Family Tree Maker. I am
running Reunion 7 on an iMac in the Classic mode.
Margaret
------------------------------
Date: July 12, 2002
From: LarryB7053
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes
Julianne Fishell <jfishell@xxxxx_com>
***
> My father and I just came across an old trunk of family material that
> included, much to my delight, a daguerreotype of my GG grandmother,
> taken in Ohio. This is the only photo that we have of her. Does anybody
> have any advice on getting a digital image of this? We've been trying to
> photograph it but since the picture is only visible from one angle and
> it's in a glass frame which reflects light, we haven't been able to get
> a good take yet. Is it possible to scan a daguerreotype or will it be
> damaged?
***
Julianne:
From your description it sounds like the photograph may actually be a glass
negative with a velvet background. I believe these are called Ambrotypes.
When you look at them, the silver in the image reflects the like making the
negative look positive. I would recommend that you take the picture to a
photography studio, have them carefully remove the negative from the frame
and made a contact print. This should give you a positive image of the
picture you can scan.
I doubt you will be able to scan the photograph directly. I've never tried it
but I suspect the glass will give too much glare. However, it might work. I
would be very careful and certainly recommend a professional photographer so
that a rare and precious image is protected.
Larry Brauer
Larryb7053@xxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 13, 2002
From: Paul S. Boyer
Subject: Daguerreotypes and similar reflective subjects
Daguerreotypes, ambrotypes, tintypes, and even very glossy prints challenge
the copier with their reflective surfaces. I do not think that taking these
to a professional photographer is always the best idea, because (sorry to
say) many "professionals" have very narrow skills, and insufficient
equipment.
The task is not beyond the range of a knowledgeable amateur. The best
approach is to use a polarizing filter, and always a copy stand or tripod
(hand shake being a mjor cause of loss of sharpness in routine
photography). The best way of all is to have two lights on the picture,
each with a polarizing filter over it, and another polarizing filter over
the camera lens. Reflected light (from glossy surfaces) has a strong
tendency to be polarized in a preferred direction. Polarizing filters can
practically eliminate this effect. Kodak used to make special copy lights
with polarizers over them, just for this purpose, but they are discontinued
(along with most of Kodak's line of useful accessories), so you may have to
make your own using filters from Edmund Scientific or some such place.
Use black-and-white film. For slides, there is a new black-and-white slide
film by Agfa, called Scala, which would be appropriate. Of course, with a
digital camera one avoids the film problem.
------------------------------
Date: July 13, 2002
From: Greg Littlefield
Subject: Generations Information
Since there has been mention of the fate of Reunion's long-lost sibling
Generations on this list, I thought I'd pass along this bit of information
in case anyone wants to pass it along to friends and relatives who are
Mac-impaired. :)
"We finally have heard that the Generations software line has been acquired
by A&E, the parent company of Genealogy.com. The Generations message board
will stay up for at least a year while it is moved over to genealogy.com We
have NO further details at this time, such as when development work will
resume. Asking questions of us will not result in any answers." --Mike
Hobart, moderator for Sierra's Generations Discussion Forum.
Broderbund is apparently keeping the ball in the air by making Generations
available while this transition takes place.
------------------------------
Date: July 15, 2002
From: Cynthia H Porcher
Subject: Finding a person quickly in Reunion
Frank Chilton <fchilton@xxx_net> wrote...
***
> 1. Reunion is far superior to Family Tree Maker, but Family Tree Maker
> has one feature that beats Reunion. In Reunion, when I go to the index
> and want to find a name, I must type in the last name and it goes to
> that surname. Then one must scroll throuhg all the names to find an
> individual. On Family Tree Maker discs, there is a place at the bottom
> to type in the full name, first and last names, hit return and it goes
> to that name. It would be nice if Reunion had this feature.
***
The feature you are requesting is already a part of Reunion. Click on the
Find (magnifying glass) at the top of the page. The first option is "Find
person." Type in the name you want, click find, and you will be directed
to that person immediately.
Frequently I find that Reunion has features I haven't even discovered yet.
chp
------------------------------
Date: July 15, 2002
From: aepalmer
Subject: Re: Gedcom
***
> Margaret Maulin <mmaulin@xxxxxxx_net> wrote...
>
> I have not had any luck sending a Gedcom via email. Can someone who has
> done this successfully, please send advice. I would like to send a
> Gedcom to someone using Family Tree Maker. I am running Reunion 7 on an
> iMac in the Classic mode.
***
Hi,
If you are sending the file to a PC user ZIP the file first --- if Mac, use
SIT format. Be sure to shut the browser compress off if the file is already
zipped.
The reason for the compressed file(s) is that is won't get scrambled when
emailed.
hth,
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: July 15, 2002
From: Tammy Sharp
Subject: Re: Gedcom
Is this person using aol? I have many problems sending files larger than
500K to aol users. In fact I now just upload my gedcom files to the page I
have on mac.com (my iMac page) into file sharing and send them the url.
This works much better than sending them by email.
Tammy
------------------------------
Date: July 15, 2002
From: William Taber
Subject: Re: Suggested Improvement for Version 7
Frank Chilton <fchilton@xxx_net> wrote...
***
> 2. When you enter a name on a new family card, if that name is already
> entered on another card, a pop-up window says," this name has already
> been entered." Or something similiar. This would save much deletion
> later.
***
I could see how this might be a useful feature from some users, but
not for me. Making the feature an option that could be turned off
would be agreeable. My database has 64 distinct individuals with the
name "William Taber", for example.
Regards,
William Taber
------------------------------
Date: July 16, 2002
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Discrepancies in the Ages window
The Ages window appears to be surprisingly selective about the information
it displays. Although it records the age of a parent at the birth of a
child, it does not record that parent's age when a child pre-deceases him
or her, surely a significant event. As well, if details about marriage age
are unknown, it ignores the subsequent death of a spouse even when that date
is known. If details about the termination of a marriage are unknown, it
appears to assume that a person is a bigamist, as it shows overlapping
duration of marriages.
I realize that Reunion can't second-guess events, but in instances where
there are several children shown as offspring of two particular people, one
can assume that they were together for that period of time, and that the
subsequent death of one spouse might be of relevance to the other spouse
even if it is unknown to Reunion how long they had been together. I am
second-guessing Reunion as to the intent here of the Ages List, but the
death of a child or partner would seem to be just as important as marriage
to a spouse or the birth of a child.
Regards,
Margit Kristiansen
margit@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 16, 2002
From: Jimh20ny
Subject: Finidng Persons in Reunion 7
Frank - To find persons in Reunion 7:
1 - Go to FIND on the top menu.
2 - Scroll downn to PERSONS.
3 - Enter First and Surnames in the appropriate boxes.
4 - Click on FIND.
5- Reunion 7 will go to that person immediately!
Jim Heydenreich
------------------------------
Date: July 16, 2002
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Flat database
Mike Horst writes..
***
> .... the online ReunionTalk database has been updated to include
> messages from <insert month>. This searchable database now contains well
> over 10,000 messages posted to ReunionTalk digests in the past few years.
> We encourage you to use this resource -- it contains a wealth of
> information.
***
Could this database be set up to give the person browsing the option of
choosing threaded, nesting or flat? I find that searching the database
requires a person to constantly return to the summary list to be able to
choose the next relevant posting.
Regards,
Margit Kristiansen
margit@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: July 16, 2002
From: Robert Godfrey
Subject: Polarizing Filters
I discovered to my surprise that I still have Polaroid contact
information, although it's from 1984, so it may well have changed.
Polaroid Phone Numbers:
Polarizing Material
1-800-225-2770
Technical Assistance Resource Center
1-800-343-5000
617-577-4601
My 1984 notes indicate that for orders under $500 there was a $50
surcharge! You've got to really, really want to polarize those lights!
Robert Godfrey
------------------------------
Date: July 16, 2002
From: Robert Godfrey
Subject: Re: Daguerreotypes and similar reflective subjects
***
> The best way of all is to have two lights on the picture, each with a
> polarizing filter over it, and another polarizing filter over the camera
> lens. Reflected light (from glossy surfaces) has a strong tendency to be
> polarized in a preferred direction. Polarizing filters can practically
> eliminate this effect. Kodak used to make special copy lights with
> polarizers over them, just for this purpose, but they are discontinued
> (along with most of Kodak's line of useful accessories), so you may have
> to make your own using filters from Edmund Scientific or some such place.
***
Polarizing filters are a good idea, and will not only help prevent
reflections, they'll help eliminate the visibility of dust and scratches on
the surface of the image or glass, and will provide greater image contrast.
This technique requires that the polarizing orientation of the filters on
the lights be identical to each other, but perpendicular to the polarizing
orientation of the filter over the lens. This technique may still require a
flat black card or cloth around the lens, to prevent reflection of the
camera, stand, etc., off the original being copied.
I used to purchase Polarizing filters for the lights in large sheets
directly from Polaroid (the patenter of Polarizing filters), although I no
longer have information as to the specific department. They aren't cheap
(although they're more affordable if two people share the cost of
purchasing the filter sheet, and then divvy up the pieces), and they're
easily damaged by heat from hot lights, such as quartz lights. They're in a
heavy acetate-like "sandwich". These filters are available color-corrected,
so they're suitable for color films. Similar filters I've used from Edmund
Scientific instilled an overall yellow-brown color when using color films,
but were fine for b/w.
Robert Godfrey
------------------------------
Date: July 18, 2002
From: Tim Lundin
Subject: Re: appleworks
nina bunin wrote:
***
> Can anyone clue me in on how to move files from Reunion 7 to
> Appleworks? I'm using OS X.
***
The most reliable way to do it is to select File-->Save Graphic File while
in the chart editor and pick the PICT format to preserve object and text
resolution. Then insert the graphic into an AppleWorks drawing document.
While in AppleWorks, you may need to go to Format-->Document and choose the
number of vertical and horizontal pages you need to accommodate the size of
the tree.
Tim
http://www.familygraphics.com
------------------------------
Date: July 19, 2002
From: Frank Chilton
Subject: Find in Reunion
The "Find" item is good if you only have a few hundred people in
your family file. I have over fifty thousand people in my file and
the "Find" takes forever to locate them. I only use that feature
out of desparation.
------------------------------
Date: July 19, 2002
From: Linda Roberts
Subject: Re: Appleworks
ttl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx_com wrote:
***
> ***
> > Can anyone clue me in on how to move files from Reunion 7 to
> > Appleworks? I'm using OS X.
> ***
>
> The most reliable way to do it is to select File-->Save Graphic File
> while in the chart editor and pick the PICT format to preserve object
> and text resolution. Then insert the graphic into an AppleWorks drawing
> document. While in AppleWorks, you may need to go to Format-->Document
> and choose the number of vertical and horizontal pages you need to
> accommodate the size of the tree.
***
Tim, I tried experimenting with a 7 generation pedigree chart for my
daughter-in-law, but I could not get it to come out right. The beginning
of the chart, going about 3/4 of the way through her parents, was cut off
and not on the chart after inserting it into an Appleworks drawing
document. This was after doing the format document and changing page setup.
The rest of it was ok. What am I missing here?
Linda Roberts
------------------------------
Date: July 19, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Flat database
Hi Margit,
Thanks for the suggestion. However, due to the way both the
ReunionTalk digest and the ReunionTalk online database are set up, we
can't provide the option of following threads of conversation. With
over 10,000 messages already in the system, it wouldn't be practical
to try and change it at this point.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 20, 2002
From: SianiPowys
Subject: Caveat?
Anybody ever hear of/use this site? How can they only be 6 months old and
offer what they say they do? No sample lookups just forms for your credit
card and checking account
http://www.genealogyexperts.com/info.htm
Siân Williams
Siersi Newydd
------------------------------
Date: July 20, 2002
From: SianiPowys
Subject: Re: Threaded archives - they're there
It was written
***
> Could this database be set up to give the person browsing the option of
> choosing threaded, nesting or flat? I find that searching the database
> requires a person to constantly return to the summary list to be able to
> choose the next relevant posting.
***
In a sense this can be accomplished simply opening an additional window in
your browser, but that browser will have to be Netscape or Explorer. AOL
doesn't seem to permit 2 browser windows at once.
using Netscape I just did this, and with the window on the left, went to
the Leister REUNION TALK archives and did a search for 'fan charts.' Up
came a list of 10 messages that had 'fan charts' in the subject header. On
further inpsection I see these are 2 threads, one from last December, and
another in April, and they are listed with the oldest at the bottom.
Now, starting with the very oldest date link, I DRAG that to the window on
the right, and that message appears. When done, drag the next link over,
and work my way up the left page of links. I have just eliminated 50% of
your search time, not having to go back to the summary: it is always,
already there to draw from.
Jan Williams
------------------------------
Date: July 21, 2002
From: brcox1
Subject: Christmas gift
I would like to present my brother one binder of family group sheets,
pictures, etc,, of both sides of our family (Mom and Dad), going back 2
or 3 generations. Does anyone have any ideas? I am using Reunion v.5.
------------------------------
Date: July 21, 2002
From: David French
Subject: How Do I Make Name Tags?
Hi!
I have really learned a great deal from the list.
I would like to make name tags for an upcoming family reunion.
I would like to list the direct line of each person attending on the name
tag.
When I attempt to export a text file, it will only include the parents and
not the preceding generations. I know how to do the mail merge in Word
once I get the data.
How do I get the data in the correct format for exporting?
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
David French
daf65@xxxxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: William Taber
Subject: Caveat?
Yes, they have been SPAMming me for months, utilizing spoofed email
addresses. Would you really want to do business with someone who
thought they needed to use spoofed email addresses? The old
saying...if it sounds too good to be true...certainly applies.
William Taber
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Teri Pettit
Subject: Feature request: auto-relationships on Add Child
When a child is added to an existing family (either via the Add New Child
or Add Existing Child commands, or by dragging them in from the clipboard
or by Add Existing Father/Mother), and the existing father or mother
already has a relationship label attached from some previous calculation of
relationships, I would like the implied relationship to be automatically
added to the new child and any of their existing descendants. E.g., when
adding someone as a child of my 2C3R, the new child would be automatically
tagged as my 3C2R, and so on for any of their descendants. (When both
spouses are related, the new relationship would be based on that of the
most closely related parent, just as when relationships are calculated from
scratch.)
If the new child did not currently have any relationship marked, as would
almost always be the case, this would happen without confirmation or
notice. If the new child already had a relationship, due to being an
ancestor or being related on the basis of a previous set of parents, then
confirmation would be required.
The same thing would happen when adding a new parent to an existing person
already flagged as an ancestor, except that if the new parent was
previously in the database and already had any other links, even if none of
those links were flagged as related to the source person, the confirmation
dialog would appear asking if relationships should be recalculated for
everyone previously connected to the newly identified ancestor.
This change is analogous to the way that new individuals are now
automatically inserted into the index. (Long-time Reunion users may
remember when this was not the case, and one had to manually rebuild the
index to cause every person added since the last rebuild to be included.
Auto-insertion into the index was the most appreciated new feature in
Reunion 4.)
In a large database, calculating relationships for the whole database is
quite time-consuming, and for the vast majority of the individuals is just
reassigning the same relationship they already had.
Moreover, I have about 15 pseudo-families containing ancestors of mine
which do not represent real families. Instead, they represent all my "loose
ends" for people of that surname. I find these pseudo-families much more
convenient for navigation than other devices such as Mark Sets or
Bookmarks. For example, they will appear in web reports, so that I can
easily include the URL to the list of people I'm looking for in a query.
E.g., I might send this link to an INGRAM list or query board:
http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/family/pettit/FG22/FG22_243.htm
So I want to keep these pseudo-families, but I don't want relationships
calculated for the other "children" of these families. I've previously
requested the ability to flag a parent-child link as one not to be followed
in calculating relationships, but this feature has never been provided. So
every time I'm about to calculate relationships, I must first drag the
child buttons for all my ancestors out of these cards into the clipboard,
calculate relationships, and then drag them all back to their
pseudo-families. If I miss one, a whole bunch of relationships get
calculated wrong.
(Before anyone suggests it, I have considered the workaround of including
two parent cards for each of my end-of-line ancestors who appears in one of
these pseudo-families. The Preferred one would be a simple placeholder that
was NOT attached to the pseudo-family. The non-preferred one would be the
pseudo-family. Since relationships are calculated through the preferred
parents, the link to the pseudo-family would not be followed. This
workaround would certainly allow relationships to be recalculated more
conveniently. But it would have the drawback that in web reports it would
not be easy to get to the page for the pseudo-family from the page for the
ancestor, since parent links are included for only the preferred parents.
So currently I am paying the price in greater effort to recalculate the
relationships in order to get the report structure I want.)
If relationships were added automatically to new family members, one would
very rarely need to recalculate relationships from scratch after having
done it once, and this tedious process would not be necessary.
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Jackie Gray
Subject: Folder updater and Upload my Web site update
Hello list.
I'm new to this, so please hear me out. I had a guy create a website for
me & attach it to RootsWeb FreePages. He updated it once on 5/22/2001. He's
since gone out of biz. Now I need to update it again and at a loss on how
to use Folder Updater which I downloaded this week, also downloading Fetch
4.02. I'm using a G4 OS 9.2 in Classic mode. Can someone tell me step by
step how to update my site. I have my user name & password so I can get
into the site, but that's about it. I'd sure appreciate a hand here, maybe
even sleep well tonight.
Jacqueline Gray
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Daniel and Kristen Howell
Subject: Genealogyexperts.com (was Caveat?)
***
> Anybody ever hear of/use this site? How can they only be 6 months old
> and offer what they say they do? No sample lookups just forms for your
> credit card and checking account
>
> http://www.genealogyexperts.com/info.htm
***
I looked up their URL registration history, and they do not list a phone
number; have a "free" email address not connected to the domain name; and
they have only registered this domain name for one year (until 24 April
2003).
Compare this data with ancestry.com (for an example), which lists full
contact information, and has registered their domain name until 2010.
There is a scam genealogy web site out there, that changes their name so
frequently that I cannot even recall it now. I'll do more research and post
when I find it. Genealogyexperts.com might very well be legitimate, but I
would personally be hesitant to give them payment with such slim information
available.
Kristen Howell
http://www.ehfa.org
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Olastar
Subject: Photos in Reunion
I would like to make more pictures available to viewers than is currently
possible. Is there a way to create a link on the Reunion Home Page that
goes to a separate file that contains all the pictures I am currently
storing on my hard drive? That would be a rough start. Better yet would be
the ability to link more pictures of a particular person from their person
page to their pictures in a separate file. Any suggestions on this?
Thanks. Karen M. Larson
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Tim Lundin
Subject: Re: Appleworks
Linda Roberts wrote:
> The beginning
> of the chart, going about 3/4 of the way through her parents, was cut off
> and not on the chart after inserting it into an Appleworks drawing
> document.
For some reason, AppleWorks likes to jam the tree graphic so far up into the
upper left corner that the left side (and top) of the chart can be cut off.
Luckily, I've always found the whole thing to be there.
What I usually do is keep clicking the display scale reduction button (the
small mountains in the lower left corner) until I can see the whole document
in the window...if your tree is really big, that might not be practical.
But
once you can see enough to get the "big picture" perspective, all you should
have to do is click on the graphic and drag it down and to the right. This
should reveal the hidden part of the graphic and will allow you to center it
on the layout of pages you have specified in the document format.
Hope this is the answer!
Tim
http://www.familygraphics.com
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: lpertelt
Subject: Re: Caveat
Sian,
Several people on one of my genealogy lists received this as an offer.
After checking it out, they determined it was a big time scam.
Loraine Ertelt
lpertelt@xx_net
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Paul.Hunt
Subject: Re: Caveat?
Caveat emptor is a good warning here. Anytime you're offered something
that sounds too good to be true, it usually is. You can't even see what
you're paying $59 for!
Several other red flags jump out. Their email is at Yahoo, not at their
own domain. And if you look at their page source, it's unadulterated
Frontpage, without even the addition of the usual META tags. Very
unprofessional. Clearly NOT the result of much development time. What I
see is a multi-page advertising scheme. Nothing more. And if I'm wrong,
show me!
Paul
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Caveat?
I think this may answer your question:
<http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/genealogyexperts.htm>
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Karl A. Lacher
Subject: Re: Cross platform
Re: Cross Platform
Using Toast 4.0, I would like to burn a CD containing graphics and Reunion
material that will open on Windows 2000 or a later version. Using ISO
9660, my Mac titles are changed when I open the disk on the PC and the
changed titles do not identify the file via subject. This can be a real
problem when one has many files. Joilet does not appear to support
Windows 2000, only Windows 95/98. How does one retain the long titles
formatted by a G4 Mac? I have noticed several people comment that they
successfully burn CD's to share with others, so I am wondering how this is
done.
Karl Lacher
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Agnes E. Cloninger
Subject: Re:'Find'
Frank
I wonder if you need to increase the amount of memory you are
allotting to your Reunion file?
I do not have so large a file as you, however, the find feature
functions instantly.
Have you considered finding a suitable place to split it? Any time
you can work with smaller increments usage is simplified.
As long as the families are not intertwined it is not much of a
bother to move from one family file to another. I can do this with my
parents - one file for father one for mother - the families never
cross over. Those of my self and my husband do not either but as to
his parents - now that's another story! They were cousins........
Agnes VWC
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Edgar Dohmann
Subject: Re: Find in Reunion
A couple of things can affect this in large databases (I have almost 40K
records):
1. Machine speed (the faster the better) - I use a G3/266, most Find ->
Anything searches take less than 1 minute
2. Search Criteria -- It may help if you can limit the search somewhat.
Searching for "Any Field Contains ..." will take significantly longer
than searching specific fields for something
-- Edgar Dohmann
edgar@xxxxxxx_com
www.dohmann.com
------------------------------
Date: July 22, 2002
From: Mary Arthur
Subject: Re: Find in Reunion
Frank Chilton <fchilton@xxx_net> wrote...
***
> The "Find" item is good if you only have a few hundred people in your
> family file. I have over fifty thousand people in my file and the
> "Find" takes forever to locate them. I only use that feature out of
> desperation.
***
I have only about 32,000 people but find anything with all four
categories chosen only takes about 15 seconds for me. (I am using OSX
but until last month used 8.6 and never felt it took very long).
Mary Arthur
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Daniel and Kristen Howell
Subject: Re: Caveat?
***
> I think this may answer your question:
>
> <http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/genealogyexperts.htm>
***
Thanks, Steve! Yes, familydiscovery.com is notorious, and is the name I
couldn't recall in my original post. What is really funny is that when I
clicked on the "join" link, it was broken. :)
Kristen Howell
http://www.ehfa.org
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Donlt
Subject: Re: Caveat?
These guys (genealogyexperts) are operating just like the old
familydiscovery and genseekers rip-offs use to. I do not know if this is
their new version or a new rip-off. So, Caveat emptor.
Don Thompson
Whittier, CA
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Teri Pettit
Subject: Re: 'Find' speed
In reference to a post in which Frank Chilton <fchilton@xxx_net> wrote...
***
> The "Find" item is good if you only have a few hundred people in your
> family file. I have over fifty thousand people in my file and the
> "Find" takes forever to locate them. I only use that feature out of
> desperation.
***
Mary Arthur <arthurm@xxxxx_net> replied...
***
> I have only about 32,000 people but find anything with all four
> categories chosen only takes about 15 seconds for me. (I am using OSX
> but until last month used 8.6 and never felt it took very long).
***
and Edgar Dohmann <edohmann@xxxxxxxxxxx_com> suggested
***
> A couple of things can affect this in large databases (I have almost 40K
> records):
> 1. Machine speed (the faster the better) - I use a G3/266, most Find ->
> Anything searches take less than 1 minute
> 2. Search Criteria -- It may help if you can limit the search somewhat.
> Searching for "Any Field Contains ..." will take significantly longer
> than searching specific fields for something
***
I think what the respondents were missing was that Frank Chilton was
replying to someone who suggested the Find.. command as a workaround for
being able to do keyboard access in the Index window to secondary columns
(e.g., "Chi<tab>Wi" to jump to the first William Chilton, assuming that his
file has no other surnames beginning with Chi.) Frank was trying to say that
he was aware of the Find.. and Find Anything.. Commands (how could someone
with 50,000 people in their database not be), but that he did not consider
them a workable substitute for better keyboard navigation in the Index
window.
In that context, "forever" is anything slower than scrolling the index
window past all the Chiltons that come before William. So the time to fill
out the Find screen plus the 15 seconds to wait for the response would, in
that context, be effectively "forever", that is, long enough that using the
index even under its current limitations is probably faster.
Teri
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Allan Atherton
Subject: Re: Folder updater and Upload my Web site update
I don't know about Folder Update - I don't use such a thing when updating
my site. And I use Transmit, which is prettier than Fetch but as I remember
works the same. And I suppose FreePages is a server.
You get to your web space by entering into Fetch your username, password
and the directory of your webspace (get it from your ISP or RootsWeb in
this case). After Fetch makes contact with the server, drag the files you
want to upload into the Fetch window. If any have the same filename as what
already on the server, Fetch will ask you if you want to overwrite the old
files. Say Yes and Fetch will upload them all. Maybe other people will have
more detailed instructions.
If you did not create the pages or folder structure of your web site, you
might have problems jumping in and taking over. You might need to learn how
to use a page editor application. I still use old Adobe PageMill in Classic.
Allan Atherton
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Folder updater and Upload my Web site update
Jackie Gray <lanjgray@xxxxxxx_net> wrote...
***
> I'm new to this, so please hear me out. I had a guy create a website
> for me & attach it to RootsWeb FreePages. He updated it once on
> 5/22/2001. He's since gone out of biz. Now I need to update it again
> and at a loss on how to use Folder Updater which I downloaded this week,
> also downloading Fetch 4.02. I'm using a G4 OS 9.2 in Classic mode. Can
> someone tell me step by step how to update my site. I have my user name
> & password so I can get into the site, but that's about it. I'd sure
> appreciate a hand here, maybe even sleep well tonight.
***
Jackie,
As the author of the FolderUpdater program, I can help explain to you
how it works and how to use it. But the first question I must ask is
this: do you still have the complete set of web cards generated by
Reunion which were updated to your space at RootsWeb on 5/22/2001?
If not, then I'm afraid the program won't be able to help you. It's
designed so that you can keep the complete set, generate new ones,
and have it compare and replace those files which have changed since
then. So it will compare all of the files in a single folder created
for your 5/22/2001 upload to a new set created more recently, and
then it will tell you which ones it updated so that you know which
specific files need to be uploaded to replace your old ones.
If you need further assistance, let me know and I'll help explain
what you need to do from here.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Larry
Subject: Re: "genealogy experts"
Doing a google search showed this right at the top: "International Black
Sheep Society Of Genealogists - A baaad ancestor is good to find.--->
FamilyDiscovery.com (AKA:Genealogy-developments.com, Genealogyexperts.com,
Genlocator.com, and others)
see: (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/genealogyexperts.htm)
They are swine preying on the trusting. Ignore their offers.
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: How Do I Make Name Tags?
David French <daf65@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote...
***
> I would like to make name tags for an upcoming family reunion.
>
> I would like to list the direct line of each person attending on the
> name tag.
>
> When I attempt to export a text file, it will only include the parents
> and not the preceding generations. I know how to do the mail merge in
> Word once I get the data.
>
> How do I get the data in the correct format for exporting?
***
There is no way to do quite what you are asking using the text
exporting capabilities of Reunion. The text export feature will only
include Parents, Spouses, and Children of a person. It doesn't allow
the inclusion of more distant generations. The best way to get the
pedigree of someone is to create an Ahnentafel report (which probably
isn't really what you want either).
You may have to do this one mostly by hand. However, since the
earlier part of the ancestry will probably be the same for most of
the people at the reunion, you can do some cutting and pasting to
save yourself some time.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: Photos in Reunion
Karen M. Larson <Olastar@xxx_com> wrote...
***
> I would like to make more pictures available to viewers than is
> currently possible. Is there a way to create a link on the Reunion Home
> Page that goes to a separate file that contains all the pictures I am
> currently storing on my hard drive? That would be a rough start. Better
> yet would be the ability to link more pictures of a particular person
> from their person page to their pictures in a separate file. Any
> suggestions on this?
***
Hi Karen,
Funny you should ask... I just finished adding a few dozen pictures
to my Reunion Web Site. I thought I would finally give the free
program from Apple, iPhoto, a spin.
It pulled in the photos, let me order them the way I wanted, and
saved them as a couple pages of thumbnails that when clicked showed
the full photo.
I edited the results a bit to get the look I wanted, by adding the
page background used in the rest of the website, edited the picture
captions, and I will eventually link the captions to the family
cards.
It required some twiddling and wasn't as automatic as I'd like, but
certainly usable. I'll be adding more photos to my web pages this way
soon.
Steve Jacobson
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: Desré Sjöberg
Subject: RE: Report design desired
>>> 4. JOHANN JACOB4 BOHRER (CHRISTIAN3, PETER2, NIKOLAUS (KLAUS)1
>>> BORREN/BOHREN/BOHRER) was born April 26, 1675 in Winzeln, Rhine Phalz,
>>> Bavaria, and died July 7, 1739.
>>>
>>> In this example the numbers following each person should be a
>>> superscript
>> ***
>>
>> This is the type of report that I would like to have in Reunion. It is
>> the top of my wish list. It is so easy to trace back through the
>> ancestors that way and see who the parent, grandparent, etc. is.
> ***
>
> Here's a big AMEN to that. Also, while we are writing "wish lists" I'd
> like more flexibility in descendant chart appearance and family history
> sheets, allowing the user to make more changes.
I concur. Greater flexibility in reports would be a tremendous boon. What
if these numbers could precede the names (or better yet, be inserted
exactly where one wishes and ditto with other variables).
Also, the narrative form for person fields "was born on...." is flexible up
to a point. One can remove the "was" but not the "on". I should like it to
read utilising commonly utilised symbols for MI's and without the verb and
prepositions, ie:
* 01.01.2002, Guines, France, Y 01.01.2002, Guines, France. Currently I can
get
* on 01.01.2002, Guines, France OR
*. 01.01.2002, Guines, France.
The period and "on" are superfluous, but I cannot get rid of them. That
kind of fine tuning would be really grand. FTM has that down to a fine
edge, but lacks many of Reunion's other powerful features.
Is it possible to have our cake and eat it?
Desre
------------------------------
Date: July 23, 2002
From: RogerKIWI
Subject: Re: Threaded archives - they're there
Regarding following threads in the ReunionTalk database...
***
> In a sense this can be accomplished simply opening an additional window
> in your browser, but that browser will have to be Netscape or Explorer.
> AOL doesn't seem to permit 2 browser windows at once.
>
> using Netscape I just did this, and with the window on the left, went to
> the Leister REUNION TALK archives and did a search for 'fan charts.' Up
> came a list of 10 messages that had 'fan charts' in the subject header.
> On further inpsection I see these are 2 threads, one from last December,
> and another in April, and they are listed with the oldest at the bottom.
>
> Now, starting with the very oldest date link, I DRAG that to the window
> on the right, and that message appears. When done, drag the next link
> over, and work my way up the left page of links. I have just eliminated
> 50% of your search time, not having to go back to the summary: it is
> always, already there to draw from.
***
Actually it's way easier than that if you use MSIE 5.0 or better.
Click the tab on the side of the window called Place Holder. Drag the
address line that has the search results in it into the Place Holder area
and you get copy of the page on the left with all the links available.
You can then click the links one at a time to have their content appear in
the right side frame of the window.
Cheers
Roger
------------------------------
Date: July 24, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Photos in Reunion
Hi Karen,
Just in case you weren't aware, when you create web family cards, you
can check the Web Media Page option. This will include a page for
each person with all of their multimedia files on it. Search the
Reunion manual for "web media" for more information.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 24, 2002
From: bdarveaux
Subject: RE: Report design desired
***
> 4. JOHANN JACOB4 BOHRER (CHRISTIAN3, PETER2, NIKOLAUS (KLAUS)1
> BORREN/BOHREN/BOHRER) was born April 26, 1675 in Winzeln, Rhine Phalz,
> Bavaria, and died July 7, 1739.
>
> In this example the numbers following each person should be a superscript
***
I am not sure you know what you are asking for when you request this
level of sophistication in report generation. The example of
Superscripted Generation Indicators (SGI) above is the very simplest
example that could be given. Let me explain.
According to the Standards Manual (written by the Board for
Certification of Genealogists) the use of SGI is used in reports for
"Compiled Genealogies". Two types of reports are recognized in the
manual: 1) the NGSQ system (National Genealogical Society Quarterly),
formerly known as the Modified Register system, and 2) the Register
system (New England Historical and Genealogical Register). Both systems
are similar, but vary in how they treat adopted and step chidren.
The application of the proper SGI for each person is a combination of a
couple of factors: 1) which one immigrant is chosen, in the report to be
written, to be the primary person, around which the number scheme is
centered; and 2) what other members immigrated (this can vary
generationally).
Briefly, here's how it works:
The parent (and the parent's siblings) of the primary immigrant is given
the SGI of A, grandparent is B, great-grandparent is C, etc.
The primary immigrant is given the SGI of a-1.
The children if the primary immigrant are then given the SGI of 2,
grandchildren are 3, great-grandchildren are 4, etc. Descendants of
siblings of a-1 who did not immigrate are given the SGI of b, c, d, etc.
At any generation, (....C, B, A, a, b, c,...) the -1 is added to the
person who immigrated, then their descendants get ascending numbers, in
the same manner as the primary immigrant.
(I will not attempt to explain how stepchildren and adopted children are
handled in each system. Please refer to the Standards Manual.)
So basically, what the computer would need to "know" for each report is:
1) The names of the people who immigrated (a check box on individual's
card, perhaps, or an "Immigrated" flag?)
2) Adopted and step children (again, perhaps designated with flags?)
3) A primary immigrant, specific to each report (chosen when a report is
initiated, or, perhaps, the Family Card that is showing when the report
is initiated?)
All in all, it is fairly complex, but wouldn't be impossible to do. For
people who use these reporting systems regularly, they would save a lot
of time.
My seven cents worth.
Blaise A. Darveaux
------------------------------
Date: July 24, 2002
From: Buffalo234
Subject: report format options
***
> a report format that includes naming like: JOHANN JACOB4 BOHRER
> (CHRISTIAN3, PETER2, NIKOLAUS (KLAUS)1.
***
Another nice thing about an option like this is, we could use it to make name
tags for our family reunions....WOW! that would be great.
Carolyn
Remember, you have a friend in Oklahoma!
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: SianiPowys
Subject: California Bill Threatens to Close Genealogy
Jul 18, 2002-- From Iris Jones, Legislative Network
Coordinator-and-president, Genealogical and Historical Council of
Sacramento Valley (ijones@xxxxxxxxx_com)
This is a call to action to all California and US citizens. The
California State Legislature is considering a Senate Bill 1614, a piece of
legislation designed to remove the California birth and death indices from
the protection of the California Public Records Act and make these public
records off limits to citizens.
Senator Speier is the author of SB 1614, and she claims we need
protection from identity thieves and terrorists and that this bill will
keep us safe. No evidence of misuse of the birth or death indices has been
put forward. There is NO LINK of these indices to identity theft, cloning,
fraud or terrorist acts. Absolutely NONE.
In fact, many legitimate users of these indices include: genealogists,
journalists, adult adoptees, California bankers, licensed investigators and
insurance companies. Many California based businesses use the indices to
validate identity and assure proper account access, in essence a protection
from identity fraud, terrorist actions, and government abuse.
Add your voice to the many who oppose SB 1614. Sign the petition to the
California State Legislature requesting them to STOP SB 1614. (Your name
and personal information will NOT appear on the internet. It will be
provided directly to the petition author, Nina Greeley, Esq, who will then
submit the petition and all signatures to the California State
Legislature.)
WHAT YOU CAN DO:
PROTECT California Birth & Death Indices.
SUPPORT the California Public Records Act
SIGN the petition to vote NO on SB 1614.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/intrepid/petition.html
Further articles on the subject can be found here
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/5798.asp
This proposed law is a 'solution' for which there is no problem, but will
certainly generate many. This bill will cost the taxpayers $400,000.00 PER
COUNTY, RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR, to implement. Not to mention that even the
person who wants HIS OWN record will have to jump through hoops to get it.
My maternal grandparents are buried in California, and without access to
these records, I can't find them.
Jan Williams
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: James Shannahan
Subject: caveat......continued
for those who have had some dealings with the less than reputable
genealogy sites under discussion, you might want to visit
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
The FBI Internet Fraud Complaint Center... click on "File a
complaint"...
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: Mary Arthur
Subject: find speed (in index)
Teri Pettit pointed out:
***
> I think what the respondents were missing was that Frank Chilton was
> replying to someone who suggested the Find.. command as a workaround for
> being able to do keyboard access in the Index window to secondary columns
> (e.g., "Chi<tab>Wi" to jump to the first William Chilton, assuming that
> his file has no other surnames beginning with Chi.) Frank was trying to
> say that he was aware of the Find.. and Find Anything.. Commands (how
> could someone with 50,000 people in their database not be), but that he
> did not consider them a workable substitute for better keyboard
> navigation in the Index window.
>
> In that context, "forever" is anything slower than scrolling the index
> window past all the Chiltons that come before William. So the time to
> fill out the Find screen plus the 15 seconds to wait for the response
> would, in that context, be effectively "forever", that is, long enough
> that using the index even under its current limitations is probably
> faster.
***
I did miss that it was in reference to the index. I would guess
scrolling would be slow, which is why I use 'page down' , I have 400
Arthur's it goes pretty quickly, and if I want one of the William's I
type AS instead of ART and use 'page up'.
Mary Arthur
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: David Lyle
Subject: Indexing Charts
I would like to use Reunion 6 to print a list of the people who
appear on a family tree chart. My charts are 11 x 17 inches and can
be up to 4 pages in size and can have quite a few names. Indexing
them by hand is obviously a laborious project I'd like to turn over
to the computer.
Dave Lyle
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: Shirley Westaway
Subject: Odd statistics
My statistics chart shows the minimum age at marriage as five and the
minimum age of birth of first child as six. I am sure these are wrong so
how can I found the relevant entries to correct them?
Cheers
Shirley Westaway
Australia
------------------------------
Date: July 25, 2002
From: Denise Marques
Subject: placing children in order of birth date
I think this topic has been discussed before but couldn't find it in the
archives.
On the family card, the children are listed in the order they were
entered into the program, not in order of their birth. For many of my
families, I have entered my direct ancestor first on the card then add
siblings as I find their names in my research. I don't always have the
birth date when I enter the name. Now that I have been entering dates,
they aren't arranged properly. Is there a way Reunion will arrange them
in their birth order?
Thanks,
Denise Marques
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Frank Mitchell
Subject: Re: Indexing Charts
David Lyle <dlyle@xxxxxxx_net> asked
***
> I would like to use Reunion 6 to print a list
> of the people who appear on a family tree
> chart. ... Indexing them by hand is
> obviously a laborious project I'd like to
> turn over to the computer.
***
A possible work around?
Create a Register Report of the same people and delete everything except
the index.
Format and edit the index as you want it, select all and copy it.
In the chart Edit->Add Text->Caption and paste it in.
Frank
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Indexing Charts
David Lyle <dlyle@xxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> I would like to use Reunion 6 to print a list
> of the people who appear on a family tree
> chart. ... Indexing them by hand is
> obviously a laborious project I'd like to
> turn over to the computer.
***
Here's an idea: Use the same selection method you used to create the
chart to create a report (e.g., list of marked people). Edit the
report to your liking, then paste it back into the chart.
- -Ted
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Odd statistics
Hi Shirley,
This would be a good time to use Reunion's Find Anything feature. To
do so, chose Find -> Anything. In the Find Anything window, choose
"Age at First Marriage" (in the Attributes submenu) and "Less Than"
for the first two parts of the search condition and enter 10 (or
something similar) into the text field. Click Find.
You can do the same for the "Age at First Child" (also in the
Attributes submenu). I think those two searches will help you find
what you are looking for.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: placing children in order of birth date
Hi Denise,
Yes, Reunion can do this for you. Go to the family card with the
children in an incorrect order, choose Edit -> Children, and then
click the Sort Children button in the window that appears.
You can also drag the child buttons into a different order directly
on their parent's family card. Search the manual for "child order"
for more information.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: wish list
Carolyn wrote:
***
> While we are making our "wish list" for the next
> version, there is one itty bitty thing that I'd enjoy.
> When you click on the index icon, that it would open
> the index at the person you have on the open family
> card. Like, I might be looking at Samuel BRANCH but I
> want to see if there is a Peter BRANCH, open the index
> and you would be almost there.
***
On the other hand, consider that the way it works presently has its
advantages: It returns you to the same person you "departed from" the
last time you viewed the index. I often find this useful after I've
been on a wild goose chase.
If Leister implements your idea, I hope there would be provision to
choose a preferred behavior (doubtless, there are others). To
implement your "wish", I could arrive at the Branches with
<command-i>, B-R-A-N in just a few moments. I agree this isn't quite
as "smooth" as just <command-i>, but it's flexible.
- -Ted
------------------------------
Date: July 26, 2002
From: Wendy A. B. Whipple
Subject: weird multiple-marriage problem
I have a problem I can't seem to fix:
Two of my ancestors are showing up as being married to each other *three
times.* The little red triangle that indicates more than one spouse is with
both their names, and when you click on it, the "other spouses" are the same
person repeated three times. The triplicate names do not appear in the index
in triplicate, and I'm not sure how to fix this without messing up ancestors
and descendants. I don't know how it happened, either, so I can't work
backwards from whatever mistake I made.
Advice on this is hugely appreciated,
Wendy Boughner Whipple
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Date: July 27, 2002
From: CCDJOE
Subject: Re: Indexing Charts
I much prefer the Register report that numbers individuals thereby making it
much easier to scroll up or down to find direct connections as opposed to the
l.1.2.5 , etc. Is it possible to render this report so as to include all
pertinent info, notes, source, etc.?
Additionally, is it possible/likely that Reunion will adapt this report to
show the direct ancestor line names numbered (superscript) by preceding
generation? (As is done by FTM which I as a Mac user had to abandon. . .a pox
upon them...I had to search endlessly before I discovered their statement of
intent not update for Macs.)
------------------------------
Date: July 27, 2002
From: Lynton & Bronte Gould
Subject: Re: placing children in order of birth date
On the Edit Family page (accessed via the children button) there is a button
at the bottom which states: sort children. This will do exactly what you
want if the dates are present.
Bronte Gould
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Date: July 27, 2002
From: tony.gott
Subject: Re: wish list
Whilst not a solution, what I do is take a note of the id number for the person, and then go to the index and click on Find ID# and put the number in.
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Date: July 28, 2002
From: James E Bradley
Subject: GedLink
Listers,
What is the scoop on this? Is it one of those "great looking" scams?
Jim Bradley
***
> GedLink is a new project (started last year), whose aim
> is to connect people researching their family histories
> in a very simple and efficient way.
>
> You can learn more about GedLink, why to participate
> and how to share your data at <http://www.gedlink.com>
> I'm sure you'll find it easy to use.
>
> Olivier Hergault
> -GedLink Project-
***
Jim Bradley, MCS, MMIS
Think Different!
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Date: July 28, 2002
From: Arthur Strange
Subject: Re: Photos in Reunion
Hi Karen,
Reunion does a nice job of publishing your family history in HTML
format that can be read with your favourite browser either off a CD
or on the Internet. Adding additional folders and other documents to
the Reunion Home Page is not as difficult as may seem. However, you
will need some additional software such as an HTML Editor and a
programme to convert a folder of images to a Web Album. I use:
PageSpinner <http://www.optima-system.com>, and WebPics
<http://www.splons.com/>.
What I have done on the first page of my Reunion Home Page is to add
another link called 'Library' to the contents list. The Library
contains Transcriptions of Census Records, Tax Evaluations, Vital
Records, Wills, Photograph Collections, Maps, Statical Reports, and
Miscellaneous Documents.
While this may seem like a lot of work it is well worth it, as I feel
I am on the way to producing an interesting CD of my family history.
- --
Best regards,
Arthur
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Date: July 28, 2002
From: Edward Hudson
Subject: Re: placing children in order of birth date
Mike Horst <help@xxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote...
***
> Yes, Reunion can do this for you. Go to the family card with the
> children in an incorrect order, choose Edit -> Children, and then
> click the Sort Children button in the window that appears.
***
Yes, Mike, but Reunion can only do this, of course, for children with known
dates of birth. For all those cases, usual before the 19th century, where we
only have a date of baptism and will probably never know the date of birth,
the Sort Children button is no help.
The only options in such cases are to sort manually (which can be laborious)
or to enter guesstimates for the date of birth (which can be dangerous and
is not therefore a practice I wish to adopt).
For certain functions (Pedigree Cascading Charts and where short dates are
used), Reunion allows users to designate an event to be used as a substitute
where no birth date exists. Could this useful facility be extended, in a
future version of Reunion, to the Sort Children button, at least on an
optional basis? For example, by an option-click on the Sort Children button,
which would tell Reunion to base the sort on birth dates where they exist
and on the user's chosen substitute event where they do not?
Ted Hudson
------------------------------
Date: July 29, 2002
From: Lily Worrall
Subject: placing children in order of birth date
Edward Hudson <edward.hudson@xxxxxx_fr> wrote...
Subject: Re: placing children in order of birth date
***
The only options for children with baptism only - and no birth date -
are to sort manually (which can be laborious) or to enter
guesstimates for the date of birth (which can be dangerous and is not
therefore a practice I wish to adopt).
***
If I have a child with a baptismal date of (say) 15 June 1879 I see
nothing dangerous about writing a birth date as "ca 1879" or "abt
1879" or even "bef 1879". Reunion will accept all three. I would
never "guess" day or month but a year allows reunion to sort children
for me - and when I revisit the file I have an approximate birth date
- - at a quick glance.
Lily
Cornwall ON
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Date: July 29, 2002
From: Larry
Subject: Re: Gedlink
It's not a scam, as one does not have to pay or contribute. After more than
a year, though, I have only gotten 2 mails and sent one - it's a very small
effort.
There's another which Candace Doriott mentioned in Genealogical Computing
magazine, which is Linked Genealogy from BYU. Problem is, their servers have
been pronged for months and they don't know where they will be back on line.
------------------------------
Date: July 29, 2002
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: GedLink
Jim,
Whether it's really worthwhile or not, I can't say. I recall hearing
of it some time back. In general, it's kind of like Napster or
similar services, but it's aimed at sharing GEDCOM files. However,
even if it "rocks" as the current saying goes, it's PC only...so we
Mac users are stuck either way.
= Steve =
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Date: July 29, 2002
From: Wendy A. B. Whipple
Subject: weird marriage problem solved
I want to thank everyone so much for responding so quickly to my triplicate
marriage record problem. With the terrific advice I received, the problem is
solved, and Great-grandma and -grandpa now only show up as being married
once, which is as it should be.
Thanks again!
Wendy Boughner Whipple
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Date: July 29, 2002
From: CMUGRick
Subject: Wish list
I would like the option to be warned if a name I enter is already in my list.
It would save on duplicates. An easier way to deal with duplicates would be
nice as well.
Rick
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Date: July 30, 2002
From: duncan gibson
Subject: A little advice please
Hi everyone, a lady friend of mine who'es mother has been using the family
tree 3.02 program for several years, stopped using it about 18 months ago.
Now the daughter has tried to pick up where the mother left off and for
some unknown reason get only a blank sheet, could anyone help us with this
problem of how to find where the family tree program has dissappered too
also is it very difficult to move the family tree ( when found ) materail to
Reunion 7
thank you for any and all help Duncan G.
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: lpertelt
Subject: CD-RW for Backup
I would like to purchase a CD-RW for backing up my Reunion/Photo database.
Could someone who is already doing this give me a
suggestion as to which CD-RW works well with MAC and is easy to use for backup
purposes?
Loraine
lpertelt@xx_net
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Date: July 30, 2002
From: Agnes E. Cloninger
Subject: File records
From SALUPO_VINCENT_P@xxxxx_COM:
***
> The driver for this discussion is my need to see my
> source information without taking my copies
> wherever I go.
***
Perhaps you need to take a look at two sites - either of which will
give you what you want. One is free, one is shareware -
Genscribe was created to fit with Reunion, and does not do PC
http://users.rcn.com/psherman/genscribe.html
BYGONES has a PC and a Mac version
http://home.utah-inter.net/bygones/
Both are based on FileMaker and both can be downloaded. Both are
excellent both give you ample help and both have newsletters and
creators who will give you oodles of help without hesitation nor
delay.
They are very similar. And there is no point in re-inventing the
wheel by doing it yourself.
AEC
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: SALUPO_VINCENT_P
Subject: Is my copy a source? How do I catalogue my copies?
I am new to the organized world of geneology. I just purchased Reunion and
am trying to get a handle on the pile of information that I have
informally collected over the last 5 years. So.... In regards to
documenting sources I have many questions.
What is the standard way of documenting sources for which you now own a
copy?
If I make a copy of a source (photo, photocopy, birth certificate from a
state) that is now in my possession, do I reference these documents as my
sources?
Is it better to refer to the original and ignore that I have a copy?
What led me to this quandry is how to fill in the "media type" field in a
source record. I kept wrestling with what should be entered here. Should I
list a photocopy in my possesion with text notes indicating the original
source? Or should I list the original source and put the information about
my copy in the text notes?
Thanks in advance
Vince
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: Jean Leeper
Subject: OS X & Classic OS 9.2 and Reunion
I went into my System Preference, clicked on System: Classic 9 and then
told it to start up on login to this computer. OS X loads first and then
classic loads. That way I do not have to wait classic to load when I am
busy working. I often have Reuniuon open when I am busy with my Mail.
Omni Page is the only thing I need to go into Native OS 9.
Sincerely,
Jean Leeper
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: Ian Stringer
Subject: Parents MRIN
Hello,
This is my first request of ReunionTalk.
I used PAF on a PC up to some 6 years ago, and printed off the Family
Sheet for each family. I use these sheets to update during meetings. A
great feature was the inclusion of the Parents' MRIN for each spouse, as
I could quickly go to that page without having to go back to my index.
I saved the PAF as a GEDCOM and brought it into Reunion, and I'm getting
used to the new layout. It sure is a deep and powerful program, and I've
barely started to scratch the surface. However, I have not been able to
find where the Parents' MRIN appears in the Reunion records.
How do other people handle this part of using the program?
Thanks for any help.
Ian
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Date: July 30, 2002
From: Steven Dhuey
Subject: Photocopies
Photocopies as sources can be treated as if they are the original texts.
Steve
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: wilola
Subject: Printing Group Sheets
Where do I go and what do I click in order to print the marriages (date
and place) of children on family group sheets? I have printed with the
dates on before, but I must have messed something up as only the name of
the spouse prints now.
Also, can all the data of the children be printed on the group sheet? ó
the birth, christening, spouse, marriage date/place, death and burial
info.
Thank you.
Wilola
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: Al McCrary
Subject: Re: marriage problem
***
> W. B. Whipple, When you click (once) on the red
> triangle, a window will open with the names of
> the spouses who are linked to that red
> triangle'd person.
***
On the bottom line of that window, click on "edit spouses" and
another window appears showing all linked spouses to that red
triangle'd person. Highlight(click on) each person that you want to
remove and then click on the "Remove Link" Button.
Repeat as necessary, and then "Save". Then go to the other spouse and repeat
the process until only correct links remain. I one case I had to drag
the person who would not be removed to the "Clipboard" in the upper
right corner of screen and then to the trash.
Cheers,
Al McCrary
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: John Hill
Subject: Re: placing children in order of birth date
> Yes, Reunion can do this for you. Go to the family card with the
> children in an incorrect order, choose Edit -> Children, and then
> click the Sort Children button in the window that appears.
>
> You can also drag the child buttons into a different order directly
> on their parent's family card. Search the manual for "child order"
> for more information.
A facility I would very much like would be to use the first of these but
sort by *christening* date - which is what I usually have!
Also, if there is a way of displaying christening date instead of birth
date in the family card list, I haven't found it; this would ease the
manual sort option.
I am reduced to producing a print preview of the family I want to sort,
showing the christen dates (and birth dates, if any), sorting them
manually, and producing a second print preview to check.
John.
------------------------------
Date: July 30, 2002
From: SALUPO_VINCENT_P
Subject: Source data- Do you put it in Reunion?
The driver for this discussion is my need to see my source information
without taking my copies wherever I go. So, with that in mind, how do
people reference there accumulated data while on a trip? Is it standard
practice to capture all the valuable (as I see it) source information in
Reunion? If so, what methods are there?
I have been using the text field in my source records. But my end notes
are becoming very large. I have done a lot of interviews and like to
comment on the interviewee and their information to capture my thoughts
about what was learned. I also find myself typing most of the information
on a birth certificate into the text field of a source record. Of course,
this all shows up in end notes. This is not what I really wanted.
I have considered setting up a Filemaker pro database for my data. A place
to catalogue, ID, and reference my sources. Then as I create a source in
Reunion, I would add the document ID to reunion source record. The
photocopies, electronic notes, scanned photos, and original documents
would all get a document ID. This sounds to me to be the only thorough way
to keep track of all the paper, electronic documents, and remote sources
that I have accumulated. But this will be a lot of work to create and
maintain. Is it worth it?
Any help appreciated
Vince
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Date: July 31, 2002
From: Philpott Peter
Subject: baptism and christening
Christening versus baptism . . . what, if any, is the difference? Did I
miss something in my Protestant upbringing in not learning the difference?
Does the difference explain why Reunion provides us with those two as
separate events? Just curious.
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: Joe & Vicki Swann
Subject: CD-RW (Which CD Burner to buy)
Hi,
I have a Que! drive at my office that has served me very well.
Joe Swann
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: CD-RW for Backup
From Loraine:
***
> I would like to purchase a CD-RW for backing up my
> Reunion/Photo database. Could someone who is already
> doing this give me a suggestion as to which CD-RW works
> well with MAC and is easy to use for backup purposes?
***
Loraine,
A couple questions might be in order to make a good recommendation.
Do you run a new enough Mac OS version to plan on using the
"built-in" Disc Burner software? If so, then naturally you should
get one that is supported by it. Personally, unless you have enough
to use a large percentage of a CD each time, I recommend NOT using
Disc Burner and purchasing Toast Titanium instead, since it can write
sessions -- put on as much as you have, then next time add some,
etc., until the disc is full. If that's the case, you want to make
sure your drive is compatible with it (most are) and that it's a
trustworthy brand name that works with your Mac. I highly recommend
looking at one that connects via Firewire if you can support that.
I bought an external Yamaha for my beige G3 (though now I use the
built-in combo drive on my shiny new Titanium Powerbook G4), and it
works wonderfully. You'll no doubt received many recommendations for
reliable brand names.
= Steve =
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Re: displaying christening date on family card
From: John Hill
***
> Also, if there is a way of displaying christening date
> instead of birth date in the family card list, I haven't
> found it; this would ease the manual sort option.
***
Instead of using "Add Event" as shown on the person card itself, go to
Options, Define, Person Fields and add the christening field there. It
will then show on all person cards if you THEN use the Add Event button
on the person card, and you can drag it to the preferred location,
logically just after Birth. You can then add the Christening field to
the family card by choosing the View button and editing the information
to be displayed on the Family card.
Regards,
Margit Kristiansen
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: Beth Haney
Subject: Re: "Is my copy a source?"
I guess I might have misread the intent of this person's question,
because I was a little surprised to see one answer that agreed a copy is
a source. For most purposes, I think of a photocopy as being a copy of
the information from the source, not the source itself. For example, I
have photocopies of marriage records, but when I record the actual
"Source" of the information contained on that photocopy, I do it in
terms of the location in which the record was found (e.g. "Gallia
County Courthouse"), the city, county, and state in which the courthouse
is located, the office in which the marriage registers are located, and
the volume and page number of the book in which the original record
appears. I'll often add the date I got it, but that's just a personal
thing. That way, should anyone else want to verify the accuracy of the
information, they'll know exactly where to go to see it for themself.
Citing sources in terms of the location of the original record is most
often a requirement for proving lineages. Having a photocopy of it is
just cool!
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: OS X & Classic OS 9.2 and Reunion
From Jean Leeper:
***
> I went into my System Preference, clicked on System:
> Classic 9 and thentold it to start up on login to this
> computer. OS X loads first and then classic loads.
> That way I do not have to wait classic to load when I
> am busy working. I often have Reuniuon open when I am
> busy with my Mail. Omni Page is the only thing I
> need to go into Native OS 9.
***
There's nothing wrong with this approach, but it's a good idea to
point out that there's a bug in OS X (hopefully resolved in 10.2)
that prevents successfully copying and pasting between the Classic
and OS X environments if you start Classic automatically when you log
in. The workaround is to wait until you log in and let it start when
first needed -- such as when launching Reunion.
= Steve =
------------------------------
Date: July 31, 2002
From: d.broberg
Subject: recording sources / File Maker Pro
Vince asked several questions about source
documentation --
***
> Is my copy a source?
> Do you put it [sources] in Reunion?
> How do people reference their accumulated data
> while on a trip? Is it standard practice to capture
> all the valuable (as I see it) source information in
> Reunion? If so, what methods are there?
> I have considered setting up a Filemaker pro
> database for my data. Is it worth it?
***
My answer to the last question is - ABSOLUTELY
YES! It's worth it!
I used PAF for many years, and those who have also
used it know that it has a single "Notes" field for
each person (none for couples). You record your
sources there, along with ideas for research, and --
well -- notes! Probably other people are more
organized than I was. With me, it was pretty much
"stream of consciousness".
When I exported my data to Reunion a few months
ago, my "Notes" were imported into Reunion as
"Misc. Notes". Nothing was lost. I intend to gradually
convert them to Reunion-style sources. In Reunion,
you can create new sources and describe their
attributes (type, author, title, page #, etc.). You can
use Reunion's default source types and fields, or
add others of your own. Each source can be
associated with any number of people (such as all
members of a family whom you find in a census).
However, because I found the PAF "Notes" so
awkward to work with, I actually DID create a
database using File Maker Pro.
I describe the source itself -- film or call #, type of
document (census, register, newspaper, e-mail,
photo, etc.), title, author, and the information found in
it (birth, name, marriage, naturalization, etc.) I have
lengthy choice lists for those two fields, and add to it
as I need to.
I have a large field set up with check boxes for my 2
dozen or so most common surnames. When I
check a source, I check each surname I look for. I
also have a text field where I can manually enter up
to 10 other surnames that are not included in the
check boxes. I can then search for a certain
surname.
I also have a large field where I can enter the ID #s
for people I find in a source (up to 15), and another
field where I can enter marriage ID #s (up to 10).
Thus, I can search for a specific ID # and find all the
sources where the person or marriage is
mentioned.
I have fields to record the locality of the information,
(city, county, state, country) so I can search by that,
also. There's a field for comments, though you might
not find it as large as you would like.
I include sources I have researched, whether or not I
found any information (so I don't search them again
by mistake), as well as sources I haven't yet
checked. When I first got Reunion, I assumed after
the transfer of data I would have no further need of
FMP. Now I think I'll keep it, at least for a while,
because it's been so helpful.
NOW -- about your question concerning real
documents and photocopies. I don't know how other
folks handle it or how professional genealogists do,
I but I don't bother with whether the source is real or
a copy. I don't know about you, but I have very few
original documents, so it's kind of a moot point.
A photocopy, assuming it's readable, shows the
same information the original would. But if I had, for
example, a transcript of other, original, data, I would
be able to describe that in FMP so I would know what
I was dealing with.
About the overall question of having source info on
computer (whether in Reunion or FMP) -- I think it's
crucial. I have seen people going into the genealogy
library in Salt Lake hauling a box with all their
paperwork on one of those 2-wheeled cars. It's
absurd!
Besides that, I find that the computer helps me work
in a way paperwork can't. With my database, I can
search for a film # to see if I have researched it yet. I
can search for all Iowa censuses to see if I got the
1865 state census for Jones Co. I can search for the
Lowe surname to see if I have marriage records for
all 8 children in the family. I can move through my
information as fast as my mind can work -
something that wasn't possible when I was tied to
searching the actual documents.
Sorry this is so long - hope it helps.
Darla Broberg
d.broberg@xxxxx_com
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Date: July 31, 2002
From: CCDJOE
Subject: Register report contents.
Is it possible to create a register report that includes all the notes,
sources, etc.?
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Date: July 31, 2002
From: CCDJOE
Subject: Register Report question
Is it possible to create a register report that includes all the notes,
sources, etc.?
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Date: July 31, 2002
From: Rousty
Subject: Wish List
I am using Reunion 6. I would like to see a separate line added for middle
names. When I print reports I have to go through and remove all the middle
names that most people don't use on a regular basis. Also, I wish Reunion
would add the custom date of 1694/95 to its date list as it is used so often
in the early records.
Rousty Harris
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