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ReunionTalk Digest messages for June 2003
Date: June 02, 2003
From: Frank Mitchell
Subject: Re: Duplicate source removal
Jim kcc/jrx <xior@xxxxxxxxxx_net> asked
***
> Somehow I wound out with the same source citation numbers on several
> hundred persons. How do I remove them, short of exporting without
> sources and bringing them into a new database. So far, since I am
> entering all from a single source book, there is only number "1" but on
> most it shows up twice.
***
What version of Reunion are you running?
I may be misunderstanding your problem, but I think you are saying that
so far you have only one source entered into Reunion and you want to
delete it and all citations to it.
If you are using Reunion 8 go to List -> Sources, click on the Source
Tools button and select Delete Source 1. Reunion will give you the option
to delete all the Citations to Source 1 as well. This probably has the
same result as your 'exporting/reimporting' procedure with no risk of
losing anything else.
If you want to keep Source 1 you can duplicate it via the Source Tools
button before deleting it. This creates a new source 2 identical to
source 1 so that you will still have it when you have deleted source 1.
If you also want keep the number 1 for this reference, duplicate the new
source 2 after deleting the old number 1. Reunion will reduplicate the
source in the now empty 1 slot and you can then delete 2.
Of course you will then have to re-enter the source citation reference
number where you DO want it cited (use command-R after you have re-
entered it the first time).
If I misunderstand perhaps you can clarify what you are trying to do.
Frank Mitchell, Scottsdale, Arizona
------------------------------
From: James Beall
Subject: Duplicate source removal
***
> Somehow I wound out with the same source citation numbers on several
> hundred persons. How do I remove them, short of exporting without
> sources and bringing them into a new database. So far, since I am
> entering all from a single source book, there is only number "1" but on
> most it shows up twice.
***
This is in repsponse to Jim <xior@xxxxxxxxxx_net>
You can delete all references to a source, but this would require that you
re-establish the citation links to the few fields where they belong. This
would be much simpler than individually trying to remove citations for
<several hundred> persons. This may not be exactly what you're looking for,
but I would try this, with a _copy_ of your original Reunion database.
1-Open any person card, so you get the [Edit Person] window.
2-Click on a date field, or whatever field is convenient.
3-Click on [Show Source Citations], if they are not already showing.
3-At the bottom of the window/dialogue box, click on the [Add Source]
drop-down box, and select [existing source ...]
4-You get an [Existing Source] window or <dialogue box>. Click on
[Delete...].
5-In the dialogue box that appears, select [Delete Source Record and all
Citations To Source Record].
_James_
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Date: June 02, 2003
From: John Hill
Subject: Re: Searching 1901 Census
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, Jacqi Corcoran wrote:
> For those who are using the 1901 England & Wales Census, there is a
> clever Decoder freely available that extracts the page and person IDs
> during surname searches enabling you to paste the data into a
> spreadsheet, sort, and voila, you can see the names grouped into
> households of consecutively numbered IDs. Unfortunately it is for
> Windows users.
Snip...
> I'm sure there are several 'wizzkids' using this digest with similar
> programming skills who could produce a version for us Apple users. How
> about it?
On Monday, March 31, 2003 I replied:
> Well, I'm no whizz-kid but I used to be able to do that sort of thing
> and I still have the tools. There seems to be a need, so I'll have a
> go.
>
> Anything I concoct will be pretty basic and will run under OS9 or in
> the Classic environment of OSX.
Well, it's taken a while, but I've produced an application for you to
try. It comes as a StuffIt archive containing two files, "1901 census
decoder" and "ReadMe". The first is the application, and the second
contains instructions on how to get the html code that is processed by
the decoder and a much smaller section on how to use the decoder.
The decoder will accept any (reasonable) number of files containing the
html of your search results, and extract the data you normally see on
the web pages. It sorts the entries by the personID to put families
together, and eliminates duplicates (because you may be conducting
overlapping searches). It produces text files that you can open with
any word processor and most spreadsheet applications.
The decoder has been tested (to a limited extent) by myself, by Jacqi
and by Rowland Carson, and we think it is ready for you to try. It will
run on any pre-OSX Macintosh, and in the Classic environment under OSX,
but it is NOT an OSX application so you must be able to use Classic.
The archive is about 56 KB.
I don't have a web site, so if you want a copy then you must e-mail me:
john@xxxxxx_freeserve.co.uk
It would help if you include "1901 decoder" in the subject - Mail.app
will then not think that it is junk mail! I'll then send you the
package - I'll try to bulk requests together, so it may not come by
return!
John (Bournemouth)
------------------------------
Date: June 02, 2003
From: Sue Rusch
Subject: Slide gizmo
What is the name of that $10 gizmo that will allow me to scan slides?
Where can I get one?
SRusch
------------------------------
Date: June 02, 2003
From: aliciajens
Subject: Upgrading to 8...
Hi all!
Just recently joined this list...seems like a wonderful bunch!
Besides introducing myself, I thought I would ask...
I just ordered the Upgrade to Reunion 8 for my iMac G4. I am using
Reunion 7 now and it runs in "Classic" mode, as I am sure you would
know. I like to run in OS X, and I am still using OS X 10.1.5.
Anything I should know and/or prepare for when I receive my Reunion 8 CD
and go to install?
Anyone else run into any problems? Etc?
Would love to hear from any of you!
All the Best,
Alicia
Southern California
------------------------------
Date: June 02, 2003
From: MLP5000
Subject: Display of medical notes
When we had Version 4 of Reunion, both medical notes and regular notes
would print out on The Family Group Sheet. Now that we are using Version
8.03, the medical notes do not print out - just regular notes. Is there
any solution other than trandsferring all my medical notes to regular notes
for printing purposes?
Mary in Delaware
MLP5000@xxx_com
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Date: June 02, 2003
From: James Shuman
Subject: Editing Existing Charts
I have a rather large Descendants Chart that has been heavily
modified to fit the format I wanted.
Recently, I received a bunch of new data on one section of this
family. I chose to add the information to the existing chart, rather
than begin anew. However, there were several multiple marriages in
this new data, and I have been unable to find a way to create a
second box for the same individual [the "dotted line" link].
I am using Reunion 7. Has anyone else had this problem? Did you
discover a solution?
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: Rick/Shelly Arnold
Subject: HTML
> If it does, could you point me to pages where a Reunion 8 Family Tree
> is on the web please.
>
> Elaine
The Leister web site used to have links to Reunion family trees posted
on the web.
I would give you mine right now, but it's a long one and I can't seem
to find it having just upgraded to OSX.
If you need it, let me know and I will search it out.
Shelly
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Date: June 03, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: HTML
Shelly Arnold <rsarnold@xxxxxxxx_org> writes (above):
> The Leister web site used to have links to Reunion family trees posted
> on the web.
And we still do. Have a look at this page for the (rather long) list:
http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/Users.html
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
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Date: June 03, 2003
From: Jan Everly Williams
Subject: Off-topic: Canon CanoScan 5000F scanner
I'm in the market for a new scanner for my flat-panel iMac running OS
10.2.4. The Canon CanoScan 5000F looks like the best option for me. Has
anyone on the list used this model with OS X? Does everything work
without running Classic? I mostly scan photos but occasionally need the
OCR function.
Thanks,
Jan
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 8...
Alicia <aliciajens@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> Hi all!
> Just recently joined this list...seems like a wonderful bunch!
>
> Besides introducing myself, I thought I would ask... I just ordered the
> Upgrade to Reunion 8 for my iMac G4. I am using Reunion 7 now and it
> runs in "Classic" mode, as I am sure you would know. I like to run in
> OS X, and I am still using OS X 10.1.5. Anything I should know and/or
> prepare for when I receive my Reunion 8 CD and go to install?
> Anyone else run into any problems? Etc?
***
Alicia,
What you have to look forward to is a much improved experience. And
if you want it to be even better, then I strongly encourage you to
purchase Mac OS X 10.2, as it's FAR better than 10.1 in so many ways.
Otherwise, just install R8 when it arrives, and then have it upgrade
your existing family file. The old one will remain untouched and
you'll be so much happier!! Oh -- and welcome to the ReunionTalk
list!
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Display of medical notes
Mary <MLP5000@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> When we had Version 4 of Reunion, both medical notes and regular notes
> would print out on The Family Group Sheet. Now that we are using
> Version 8.03, the medical notes do not print out - just regular notes.
> Is there any solution other than trandsferring all my medical notes to
> regular notes for printing purposes?
***
Mary,
When you go to the Create menu and select Family Group Sheet, the
dialog contains a button labeled "Layout" near the bottom. From
there, select "Define Layouts". You can copy an existing layout or
modify one or whatever suits your needs. But look in the Person
Fields. Near the bottom is "Medical" which you can check to have
these notes included in your sheets. By the way, the Layouts feature
is available for most (maybe all) of Reunion's output products.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: kaye
Subject: Re: Display of medical notes
Mary <MLP5000@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> When we had Version 4 of Reunion, both medical notes and regular notes
> would print out on The Family Group Sheet. Now that we are using
> Version 8.03, the medical notes do not print out - just regular notes.
> Is there any solution other than trandsferring all my medical notes to
> regular notes for printing purposes?
***
On the create family group sheet card there is a pop-up menu labelled
"Layout". If you go there then you can create a new layout (which you
could call Medical) and you can tick the medical box along with anything
else you wish to show on the report. I have several different types of
reports saved there - each for a specific purpose (like information from
censuses).
Kaye
Dunedin, New Zealand
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: MLP5000
Subject: Re: Display of medical notes
Kaye,
Thank you for the information concerning the display of medical notes on
The Family Group Sheet. I hoped there would be a way to do this but could
not figure it out on my own. Thanks for your help; it is indeed
appreciated.
Mary in Delaware
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: Pat O'Halloran
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Canon CanoScan 5000F
It appears that on 3/6/03 Jan Everly Williams spake thus:
***
> I'm in the market for a new scanner for my flat-panel iMac running OS
> 10.2.4. The Canon CanoScan 5000F looks like the best option for me. Has
> anyone on the list used this model with OS X? Does everything work
> without running Classic? I mostly scan photos but occasionally need the
> OCR function.
***
Hi
I use the 5000F with 10.2.6 as both a stand-alone and via Photoshop 7 and
can confirm it works native. I've not used OCR.
Pat O'Halloran http://www.danu.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: June 03, 2003
From: john & margaret mollick
Subject: Which scanner to buy
Jan, I wish I had done more research when I got my scanner (Epson 1260)
which does not work well with our iMac (new version) even though I had read
in consumers report that it would, and the 'expert' at the store said that
it would. It is extremely slow, noisy and not a whit better than our old
one which my son whisked away - or I'd have gone back to using it. I
believe the problem is with the drivers available - and, to make this one
work, the driver is sort of rigged or something. There are three nifty
buttons on the front of the scanner which do not work with Mac's - have to
use a twain acquire gizmo. I'll be anxiously waiting to see which one is
recommended to you, now that I've told you one of which not to buy.
Margaret
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: martha
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 8...
***
> I am still using OS X 10.1.5.
> Anything I should know and/or prepare for when I receive my Reunion 8 CD
> and go to install?
***
Not a thing, Alicia! It is the gentlest turnover you ever saw! Just
make sure you do the upgrade from the net to 8.03.
Martha
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: ann
Subject: Re: Exporting Reunion 8
Elaine <elshir@xxxxxxxx_com.au> writes:
***
> I'm a newcomer to Reunion 8 and want to know if it is possible to
> export a family tree as html.
>
> If it does, could you point me to pages where a Reunion 8 Family Tree
> is on the web please.
***
Hey all-
I know a couple of people have directed you to the Users list on the
LeisterPro web page, but I just thought I'd add my 2 cents worth
here. :)
We have a web site I created using Reunion 8. When we first put it up
about 3 years ago right after we got Reunion 7. Our page can be found
at http://www.griffee.net
There's not a whole lot of difference between the look of our site
between versions 7 and 8, except for the fact that direct lines are
marked as such >name< in v.8. I really like that feature. I also
added a few things to the site, such as my own splash page and
tweaked the layout in a few places. Otherwise it's just as Reunion
spits it out when you ask it to create web pages.
We've gotten a lot of compliments since we put it up. Just today a
fellow researcher asked what we use for our web site as he thought
the photos was such great addition. Too bad he's a PC user and can't
use Reunion. I guess I'll just have to try to convert him. :)
Ann
PS. I only recently subscribed to this digest and this is my first
post. I've been using Reunion since Vv.4 and I've already picked up a
couple of hints from the first few posts I've received. Thanks!! I
have no idea why I didn't subscribe long ago.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ann Griffee - Clint Griffee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
View our family genealogy site
at http://www.griffee.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: June 04, 2003
From: ninamarie
Subject: separate sources
I'd like to know how everyone is handling their source notations.
I have some places where I could just list a general source -- say
social security application -- and it would be obvious that it was for
the person whose file is open. I have other instances where I need to
identify whose social security application I'm noting because it's not
the obvious source.
Do you all use a separate source (and source number) for each person's
social security application, naturalization papers, birth and death
certificate, etc.? If I did that, I would have hundreds of sources!
Thanks all,
Nina Bunin
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Date: June 04, 2003
From: Vanessa Schatz
Subject: Grandchildren
What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the same
household.
Vanessa
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: SueLynn Sandifer
Subject: Reunion 8 Upgrade
I received my upgrade today for Reunion 8.03 and it was the smoothest
transition/upgrade I have ever done. Very nice. I live the OS X look.
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: Lynton & Bronte Gould
Subject: Sources and Gedcom
Hi,
I am still using Reunion 7 and recently was sent a GEDCOM file from a
Legacy programme. Opening the file has been easy. However, the sources
mostly appear as 'y,y'. I have looked at the Reunion List archives and note
there has been an ongoing problem with sources in Gedcom files. I could not
see a solution to the problem. Has this problem been dealt with in Version
8? Is there a way around it for Version 7?
Bronte Gould
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: Timothy Lundin
Subject: Re: Editing Existing Charts
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, James Shuman wrote:
***
> I have been unable to find a way to create a
> second box for the same individual [the "dotted line" link].
***
I think you can write an encyclopedia on how to flog the Reunion 7
chart editor into doing what you want. That being said, there's very
few things that can't be done with a little creativity and
determination. There's probably a number of ways to do what you're
asking, but here's the method I think you might find most
straightforward.
Basically, once you've added all the descendants to the first marriage,
double-click on the person box you want to duplicate in order to get to
the edit window. Then click on the Add Box button at the bottom. Add
the text you want for the new box, choose the fill color to match the
proper generation, and choose the line characteristics for your
multiple marriage line (green solid line is the default for this type
of connection). Click Save.
Drag the new box to where you want it. You may have to edit it again
to choose a line orientation that suits your purpose. Then double
click on the new box and click on its Add box button to add children
from this marriage.
Tim
http://www.familygraphics.com
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: Digital Cameras & Scanners
There seem regularly to be questions in this forum about what digital
camera and/or scanner to purchase.
FWIW, the May 2003 issue of Consumer Reports magazine has reviews and
ratings of both subjects as well as other 'things digital.'
Enjoy!
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 04, 2003
From: Jim Merwin
Subject: Re: Which scanner to buy
I have an Epson 1260 and it works great, especially considering that
it's about the lowest cost scanner available with Mac OS X drivers. I
use it through Apple's Image Capture application which automatically
recognizes the scanner. If during a scan you abort to manual mode,
from then on you will automatically get the dialog box for all Epson
TWAIN options whenever you do a scan. I doubt it could be much simpler
to use (for me) and for my occasional use the poky performance of the
scanner itself doesn't matter much.
Jim Merwin
Hudson, OH
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Date: June 04, 2003
From: Ted and Freda Noble
Subject: Regarding Epson 1260...
We just bought an Epson 1260 and it works beautifully for my Mac.
It's taking me sometime to learn how to make greeting cards, etc.,
but so far copying old photos has been much fun. The sepia pictures
come out looking like originals.
Getting the promised rebate is another thing though. Freda
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: James Shuman
Subject: Re: Editing Existing Charts
> Basically, once you've added all the descendants to the first
> marriage, double-click on the person box you want to duplicate in
> order to get to the edit window. Then click on the Add Box button
> at the bottom. Add the text you want for the new box, choose the
> fill color to match the proper generation, and choose the line
> characteristics for your multiple marriage line (green solid line is
> the default for this type of connection). Click Save.
>
> Drag the new box to where you want it. You may have to edit it
> again to choose a line orientation that suits your purpose. Then
> double click on the new box and click on its Add box button to add
> children from this marriage.
>
> Tim
Tim,
I appreciate your help, but my problem is not in being unable to
create another box; it is in being unable to create a linking line
that indicates this is a multiple marriage.
I was already using the system you have explained above.
The result is a line that comes down from the center of the first
marriage box to the center of the second marriage box, rather than
from just inside the left edge.
What "secret" tells the chart program that I don't want a
"descendant" link but a "second spouse" link? There SHOULD be some
option for that, but I can't seem to find it!
James Shuman
jshuman@xxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: Timothy Lundin
Subject: Re: Editing Existing Charts
On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 12:21 AM, James Shuman wrote:
> I was already using the system you have explained above.
>
> The result is a line that comes down from the center of the first
> marriage box to the center of the second marriage box, rather than
> from just inside the left edge.
>
> What "secret" tells the chart program that I don't want a "descendant"
> link but a "second spouse" link? There SHOULD be some option for that,
> but I can't seem to find it!
In Reunion 7, you're probably stuck with making the Reunion connecting
line white to make it disappear, and then pasting in a line that you've
created in another program such as the AppleWorks drawing module. You
can then move this graphic object exactly where you want it. Make sure
its Top box is unchecked.
Reunion 8 has exactly what you want...a setting to turn the connecting
line into a spouse line.
Tim
http://www.familygraphics.com
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Date: June 05, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: separate sources
>From: ninamarie <nina.marie@xxxxxxx_net>
>Subject: separate sources
>
>I'd like to know how everyone is handling their source notations.
>
>I have some places where I could just list a general source -- say
>social security application -- and it would be obvious that it was for
>the person whose file is open. I have other instances where I need to
>identify whose social security application I'm noting because it's not
>the obvious source.
>
>Do you all use a separate source (and source number) for each person's
>social security application, naturalization papers, birth and death
>certificate, etc.? If I did that, I would have hundreds of sources!
>
>Thanks all,
>Nina Bunin
Nina,
If you get as hooked on this stuff as many of us, you're inevitably
going to have many sources, so what's the big deal? :-)
I've got a mixed habit, sort of. When I find a census page that
contains a lot of related families, I may make a single source entry
and copy all that I found, and then lots of individual facts will
refer to it as a source. Sometimes I find only one specific family
or person, so the number of individuals using it as a reference will
probably be smaller. On an SS-5, it seems likely to have data about
the person to whom it applies, of course, but it may also serve as
proof of that person's parentage (or perhaps give their correct names
when I previously had them different).
The bottom line for me is to source everything as thoroughly as
possible. If I have zillions of sources, then I have to consider
that I have zillions of facts to go along with the people and thus
need to document as many as possible.
Hope this helps...
= Steve =
- --
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
Surnames: Jackson, Kincaid, Culver, Wingard, Thornton, Grier, Smith, Gray
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Grandchildren
>From: Vanessa Schatz <bfly2@xxxxxxxxx_net>
>Subject: Grandchildren
>
>What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
>card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
>nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the same
>household.
>
>Vanessa
Vanessa,
If I encountered a relative listed with family and wanted to enter
them, I'd put in "unknown" or "unnamed" individuals to represent the
missing parent or parents. The source data for those anonymous
people is the census data that told me of the nephew, grandchild,
etc. In the future, if I discover that I've got the mysterious
relative in the wrong place, I can always move them and delete those
anonymous individuals -- or name them when I discover who they are.
= Steve =
- --
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
Surnames: Jackson, Kincaid, Culver, Wingard, Thornton, Grier, Smith, Gray
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: AEP
Subject: Re: Regarding Epson 1260...
on 05/06/2003 06:24 PM, Ted and Freda Noble at tnoble@xxx_org wrote:
> We just bought an Epson 1260 and it works beautifully for my Mac.
> It's taking me sometime to learn how to make greeting cards, etc.,
> but so far copying old photos has been much fun. The sepia pictures
> come out looking like originals.
>
> Getting the promised rebate is another thing though. Freda
If I may interject a modicum of reality here.
Making a scan of any print may be convenient and easy on the budget, but any
copy made this way (especially on that uses color inks) is NOT archival by
its very process. Analine dye inks are NOT permanent and will fade rather
quickly. ONLY a photographic print preferably one that has been toned with
either sepia or rapid selenium is considered archival. Therefore if your
objective is to make a copy of your original photos and want them to last
really LONG time, bite the bullet and go for the real thing an archival
quality print.
- --
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: AEP
Subject: Re: separate sources
on 05/06/2003 06:24 PM, ninamarie at nina.marie@xxxxxxx_net wrote:
> I'd like to know how everyone is handling their source notations.
>
> I have some places where I could just list a general source -- say
> social security application -- and it would be obvious that it was for
> the person whose file is open. I have other instances where I need to
> identify whose social security application I'm noting because it's not
> the obvious source.
>
> Do you all use a separate source (and source number) for each person's
> social security application, naturalization papers, birth and death
> certificate, etc.? If I did that, I would have hundreds of sources!
>
> Thanks all,
> Nina Bunin
Hundreds? Hmm. Some of us have thousands of notations!
In all seriousness, it all depends on the source. For that letter from aunt
Josie, a single source would do very nicely, On the other hand, census
records present a tradeoff do I have one source per person (Ouch!) or do I
consolidate the source material? I have found that for census records making
a single source for a given year & locality works best. The resulting
citiation would read: "US Census, 1870, Mars Hill, Maine." Once created,
this citation can be further identified using the MEMO FIELD when making the
actual reference. The benefits of using this method are: 1) relatively few
sources, 2) many references can be made to a source, 3) exact reference data
(vol, page,, etc) is put where it does the most good with the material
collected (dob, marriage, dod, etc), and 4) it allows the use of the ibid.
function in reports.
- --
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
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Date: June 05, 2003
From: Patrick Forbes
Subject: Grandchildren
You might want to try faking them. That is to say creating fictitious
("Unnamed"is the default) parents so as to link the grandchild. Later
you can add their names. That will preserve the line.
Patrick
Vanessa wrote:
What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the
same
household.
------------------------------
Date: June 05, 2003
From: jimlow
Subject: Re: Grandchildren
Vanessa Schatz <bfly2@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
> What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
> card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
> nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the same
> household.
I've had situations where the census listed brothers, sisters, nephews and
nieces of the head of household. What I do is create empty records for the
"missing links" with names "...?..." and make a note why the name is unknown.
But be careful: although I've seen "son-in-law" and "daughter-in-law" I once
discovered one person listed as a niece was actually a niece-"in-law" of the
head of house -- he being a widower and his deceased wife's niece was living
there.
I regard such "missing links" records as just a temporary stop-gap in helping
me trace a line. For example, my great-grandfather's parents never married
and I was able, at first, to confirm he was raised by one of his father's
brothers and his grandmother (listed as nephew of head-of-house in census,
along with the mother of the "head-of-house" being listed). Thus, for a time,
I had a list of siblings where I knew one was the father of my
great-grandfather, but didn't know which one, but could eliminate the one
listed as head-of-house. My great-grandfather's birth registration named his
mother, but not his father (it recorded the birth as illegitimate, but gave
his father's surname as his middle name). Only when I later found the
marriage registration of my great grandfather did I learn which of the
brothers was his father, as he gave that information for marriage
registration: along with his mother's name, which agreed with the birth
registration.
Jim Low
jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
http://members.rogers.com/jimlow/
------------------------------
Date: June 06, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re:Grandchildren
On 6/5/03 02:01 PM, ReunionTalk Digest sayeth:
>From: Vanessa Schatz <bfly2@xxxxxxxxx_net>
>Subject: Grandchildren
>
>What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
>card...
NOT, NO, DON'T, NEVER, UHUH...
>...when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
>nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the same
>household.
DO:
Create a new chld for the Grandparents, no name, no sex. Reunion will
create a family card for "Unknown" (a very popular name in my tree).
Enter the children on THAT card making notes for each about the situation.
When you get information on the parents, you can simply add it at any
time.
:-) STEVE
>
>Vanessa
- ---
There are two kinds of dirt in the world. The light kind that sticks to
dark things, and the dark kind that sticks to light things.
- - - Mark Twain
------------------------------
Date: June 06, 2003
From: Vanessa Schatz
Subject: Re: Grandchildren
Thanks, Patrick. That seems to be a good idea.
Vanessa
> From: Patrick Forbes <patrickforbes@xxx_com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:21:54 -0500
> To: Vanessa Schatz <bfly2@xxxxxxxxx_net>
> Cc: ReunionTalk <reuniontalk@xxxxxxxxxx_com>
> Subject: Grandchildren
>
> You might want to try faking them. That is to say creating fictitious
> ("Unnamed"is the default) parents so as to link the grandchild. Later
> you can add their names. That will preserve the line.
>
> Patrick
>
> Vanessa wrote:
>
> What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
> card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
> nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the
> same
> household.
------------------------------
Date: June 06, 2003
From: Christopher K. Philippo
Subject: Descendant Report
Can Reunion 8 create the kind of descendant report where the ancestor
is number one, his children are numbered 2, his grandchildren are
numbered 3, etc.?
thanks,
Christopher K. Philippo
Troy, New York
------------------------------
Date: June 06, 2003
From: Kathleen Much
Subject: Re: Grandparents
Vanessa Schatz asked:
***
> What is the best way to add a grandchild to their grandparent(s) family
> card when the parent(s) are not known. Sometime a grandchild, niece,
> nephew, etc are listed on census but the parent is not listed in the
> same household.
***
If the child has the same surname as the grandparents, I enter Son
[Surname] as a child of the grandparents and father of the child. If
the child has a different surname, I assume for the time being that
he/she is the child of a daughter, and enter Daughter [Surname] as a
child of the grandparents and mother of the child. I can then enter
[blank, or Unknown] [Child's surname] as the name of the father.
Later on, if I find the name of a missing person, I can easily
change the person entry.
Kathleen Much
------------------------------
Date: June 06, 2003
From: Michael Stupinski
Subject: Re: Regarding Epson 1260...
AEP <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> Making a scan of any print may be convenient and easy on the budget, but
> any copy made this way (especially on that uses color inks) is NOT
> archival by its very process. Analine dye inks are NOT permanent and
> will fade rather quickly. ONLY a photographic print - preferably one
> that has been toned with either sepia or rapid selenium - is considered
> archival. Therefore if your objective is to make a copy of your original
> photos and want them to last really LONG time, bite the bullet and go for
> the real thing - an archival quality print.
***
Given that photographic prints are the best way to go, cost,
convenience and control have their merits. I certainly would not be
one to say that inkjet prints are archival, or anywhere close, but they
can last a long time if mounted under glass and kept safe from
ultraviolet light. Not all inkjet inks are dye-based, either, with
some of the current printers using pigmented inks, which should last
well.
I have sepia-toned, dye-based inkjet prints which have been holding up
quite nicely so far (4 years with no sign of fading), but the key is
that my digital files shouldn't fade at all. As long as I keep backups
and transfer them to newer media as it develops (they are on CDs now,
having been transferred from Zip disks) I should be able to reproduce
the images if they do fade.
............Mike
------------------------------
Date: June 07, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Descendant Report
"Christopher K. Philippo" <cphilipp@xxxxx_rr.com> wrote:
***
> Can Reunion 8 create the kind of descendant report where the ancestor
> is number one, his children are numbered 2, his grandchildren are
> numbered 3, etc.?
***
Christopher,
On the Create menu, select Descendant Report and this is just what
you'll get. I'm not overly fond of the "dotted line" it draws down
the left side, but it does put generational numbers by each person.
For instance, I just created a DR for my GG Grandfather. He shows
"(1)" before his name; each of his children are "(2)", their children
"(3)", etc.
Hope this is helpful.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 07, 2003
From: martha
Subject: Re: separate sources
You'll probably get as many answers as there are people on this
list! However, in order to keep the number of sources down, I have
one source number for all information from the 1880 Federal Census,
for instance. Then in the detail box, I fill in the specifics of that
census for the person in question.
Martha
------------------------------
Date: June 07, 2003
From: Rowland & Wilma Carson
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Canon CanoScan 5000F scanner
***
> I'm in the market for a new scanner for my flat-panel iMac running OS
> 10.2.4. The Canon CanoScan 5000F looks like the best option for me. Has
> anyone on the list used this model with OS X? Does everything work
> without running Classic? I mostly scan photos but occasionally need the
> OCR function.
***
Jan - I recently replaced my old Umax Astra 1200S (which I used with
a 7100/66 running OS 8.6) with a Canon 9900F. I suspect the bundled
software is quite similar across the Canon range. Much of the Mac
stuff supplied seems to be still for OS 9 or Classic. However, the
basic stuff for use under OS X (I'm now running 10.2.6 on my new 15"
PowerBook) is there and seems to work fine. I was able to download a
driver from the Canon website that now allows me to use the FireWire
interface instead of USB (although I haven't enough experience to say
if it makes a big speed difference in practice). The one fly in the
ointment was that the OmniPage OCR stuff bundled with it is OS 9
only. It will not install in the Classic environment, because of some
permission foul-up. The crazy thing is that the installer for the OCR
is an OS X application! It gets to item 525 out of 529 and then hits
this permission problem. I thought if I had the console up while
installation was happening, that might help me find out what it's
trying to put where & I could maybe temporarily fix the permissions
from the terminal, but the console seemed to be oblivious to the
installation process. Naturally, Canon said it's not their problem,
they just take the bundled stuff as it comes - and ScanSoft have a
wonderful customer service system that prevents anyone with bundled
software from raising queries. (Great way to encourage me to buy the
full product!)
If you can boot in OS 9 (to get it installed), no doubt the ScanSoft
OmniPage will work, and if you only need it occasionally, it might be
acceptable to revert to Classic for those occasions.
Anyway, I see in a recent review (MacFormat Jun) that there is only
one OCR application that works in OS X Jaguar - Read IRIS Pro 7
<www.irislink.com>. I have no knowledge of that other than reading
the review.
regards
Rowland
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@xxxxx_net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
------------------------------
Date: June 08, 2003
From: KeithTh
Subject: omit living spouse
I am seeking help in using the privacy option in creating web reports.
I am (successfully) using the privacy option which excludes people with
no death date born after 1910 but their spouses are included (full
names) if I don't have a birth date listed for them. Until I can work
around this, I will not post my data on the website. If I do have a
birth date for the spouse, she/he is omitted and shows as "living" but
if there isn't a birth date, the full name appears.
Any help would be appreciated.
Keith Thienemann
Thienemann Family Historian
2017 Burnt Bridge Road
Lynchburg, Virginia 24503-2213
USA
tel: 434-384-9636
fax: 434-384-9635
e-mail: KeithTh@xxx_com
web site: www.thienemann-archive.org
www.imageartwork.com
------------------------------
Date: June 08, 2003
From: Judith Patterson
Subject: Creating and exporting a GEDCOM with Reunion
Hello List
I haven't gotten Reunion yet. I want to make sure I'm on the right
track before spending the money. This is my situation:
My computer is an e-mac with osx which doesn't have a genealogy
program. All my stuff is on a website called Tribal Pages. This is a
very good site, but I would also like to put my stuff on World Connect.
The problem is that the "GEDCOM" that I downlaod from Tribal Pages
isn't accepted by World Connect. I think I need to first transfer the
whole thing to a program on my computer. If anyone out there is
familiar with this problem, please let me know if it can be done with
Reunion. I think I might have to redo the whole thing. Yikes!!
------------------------------
Date: June 08, 2003
From: Andrea J Sedlak
Subject: Adding sources into notes, etc.
I've been subscribing to this wonderful forum for some time, and would just
like to start off by saying that I find this community of Reunion users to
be the most helpful and generous-spirited bunch that I've encountered on
the web--both within and outside of this newsletter forum. You 'go' folks!
Saw some trepidations lately here about upgrading to Reunion 8. I can
understand. I've had bad experiences with other software upgrades myself.
Want to confess that I've had the Reunion 8 CD for a while now and have
hesitated 'rocking the boat' by installing it and upgrading. I took the
plunge this past weekend, and want to report that it was smooth sailing all
the way. Never had a smoother transition in connection with ANY other
software before. Good show, Reunion makers!
One quibble (and it is a small one)--a function was lost (discarded?)
between Reunion 7 and Reunion 8 that I had come to rely on and am now
missing it quite a bit! While working in a file and going to "add source,"
I often know that the source I want to add is in my source listing, but I
just don't know exactly what number it is. In Reunion 7, when I'd select
the option to add an existing source, I'd have the choice to "find" it.
Now that option to find the existing source no longer exists! I keep going
there in Reunion 8, and having to quit out of my work on the current family
at that point, go up to the main menu to find the source I want, and then
return back into to where I was working. Why did that function go away in
8? Didn't other people use it the way I do? Is there a work around in
Reunion 8 that I haven't learned yet? Please help!
Andrea
------------------------------
Date: June 08, 2003
From: Andrea J Sedlak
Subject: Sorry to bother you, I found my answer!
Oh, sorry to bother everyone! I just found what I needed on the 'find
source' function--and it's beautiful! Not only was the function NOT LOST
in this upgrade, it's been really spiffed up! Way to go, Reunion-makers!
You shine! (I only wish there was even ONE other software maker I could
compliment with half that amount of enthusiasm!)
Andrea
------------------------------
Date: June 08, 2003
From: Julianne
Subject: MrSid question
I've been googling around to find an answer to this, with no luck....so I
thought I'd ask here because I bet somebody will have an answer.
At the Library of Congress map website you can download all the great maps,
etc that they have but they are in MrSid format (.sid). I would like to
convert these to a viewable format especially since I am in OS X where Mr.
Sid isn't even an option. I have tried opening an image in Photoshop. It
doesn't recognize it. I haven't downloaded Graphic Converter but their
website doesn't list the sid format.
Any solutions?
Thanks, Julianne
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Descendant Report
"Steve W. Jackson" <swjackson@xxx_com> writes (above):
***
> I'm not overly fond of the "dotted line" it draws down the left
> side, but it does put generational numbers by each person.
***
Just so you're aware, you can disable the "dotted line" used in the
Descendant Report. To do so, choose Create -> Descendant Report,
choose Define Layouts from the Layout pop-up menu, select
Indent/Outline from the Settings list, and uncheck the Text Lines
checkbox. You can also turn the Generation Prefix number on and off
from here, and you can adjust the numbering system used for the
report via the Outline pop-up menu. When you're finished, save the
changes, and create the report with the modified layout.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: aliciajens
Subject: Re: sources & Thanks for input on 8
Hi again everyone!
First I want to say a BIG thank you to all who took the time to write to
me regarding the upgrade to Reunion 8.
I am really looking forward to getting it now (!), as I love working in
OS X - my Classic mode tends to crash on me here and there (I think I
have an old extension that doesn't like me, and I am never sure which
ones to get rid of and which ones I need!). Anyway, by what you all
said, I just need to now figure out what to upgrade to next - OS X,
10.2, or one of my other programs like Photoshop, Quark, or Illustrator.
Probably 10.2 as it is by far the cheapest upgrade of the above!
Anyway, some of you I had a chance to write to personally, and some I
did not...want to know I appreciate *every one of you* who wrote to me
about Reunion 8. Thank You!
Sources...
I also seem to do both...
For the Social Security Applications that you use for the obvious link
(the person named on the ap) and also for a parent's name or such, I
would use one source pointing to the SS-5, but then when it is for the
parent (or whatever) add an extra note into source detail area,
explaining just that.
I hope that helps.
All the Best,
Alicia
So Cal
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Roger Desrosiers
Subject: Edit events
What is the purpose to have two ways to edit events? For example, a first
window called « Edit individual » where we can edit all events and after
double-clicking in any field of the « Edit individual », a second window
named « Edit Events » will pop-up which allows also the correction but only
for one specific event. If we double click to fast in the first window the
second opens automatically. So we have to click once, wait a while, then
double click again in the appropriate field. That option is a time
consuming.
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Roger Desrosiers
Subject: Slow opening
There is a lot of fonctions that are slower in version 8, even the log-in
of the software is slower. But what bugs me the most, it's the slowliness
to consult the index. Do you foresee an improvement of this situation?
Before the version 8, the research access by typing only few letters in the
« Index Window » was instantly but now, I must wait few moments, otherwise
the primary letters (±3) are not captured. For example, if I'm looking for
the word « cardinal » in the index, as I would do in version 7, the result
of the reseach would be « dinal ».
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: bobdee
Subject: Re: Creating and exporting a GEDCOM with Reunion
Judith Patterson <grnthumjude@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote in part
> All my stuff is on a website called Tribal Pages... but I would also
> like to put my stuff on World Connect...please let me know if it can be
> done with Reunion.
World Connect should take any true Gedcom. I suspect your Tribal Pages is
not saved as a true, simple text file. Suffix has to be .ged
You could download the Reunion demo from http://www.leisterpro.com/ and see
if it will open your file; or send a small file to me (8 persons or so) and
I will try it and examine it.
Reunion gedcoms load fine to World Connect. Mine is below. I do not trust
World's privacy filter and do my own. I set a flag "omitged" on everyone in
living generations, not just the living. I do not believe we have the right
to post even names and 'private' or 'living'. I also use it on people with
questionable sources, such as only from Ancestral File. I find everyone
with "omitged' "not checked"; mark them. Then export gedcom for marked
people, as "gedcom 5.5"; Character set "Ansel" Line length 255. On World
site, you should answer "Fix buggy CONC usage? "NO".
I disable "user gedcom download". You can always get your own data back,
but the rest of the world doesn't need it handed to them ready to post
again. A great place to post and share files free, without creating your
own website. In their words: "Unlike with certain other Web sites, you have
full control over your GEDCOM. You can change or remove it completely at any
time and RootsWeb.com will never burn it onto a CD-ROM or charge others to
access it."
Bob
Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@xxxxxxxxx_com
www.westportmarina.com
Ancestors of Bob and Dee:
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Descendant Report
Mike Horst <help@xxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote:
> "Steve W. Jackson" <swjackson@xxx_com> writes (above):
>
> ***
> > I'm not overly fond of the "dotted line" it draws down the left
> > side, but it does put generational numbers by each person.
> ***
>
> Just so you're aware, you can disable the "dotted line" used in the
> Descendant Report. To do so, choose Create -> Descendant Report,
> choose Define Layouts from the Layout pop-up menu, select
> Indent/Outline from the Settings list, and uncheck the Text Lines
> checkbox. You can also turn the Generation Prefix number on and off
> from here, and you can adjust the numbering system used for the
> report via the Outline pop-up menu. When you're finished, save the
> changes, and create the report with the modified layout.
Thanks, Mike!
I've used the Register Report for so long that I'd never really paid
any attention to the additional format options available in the
Descendant Report in Reunion 8. Shame on me -- and thanks for
pointing out for us all the power that's available in those layouts!
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Carol Botteron
Subject: Changes with OS X?
When you change from OS 9 to OS X, what software do you have to change,
and what other changes would there be? If someone can point me to a web
site that explains the differences in simple terms, that would be great.
I don't really know what questions to ask. I've heard phrases like
"Classic mode" but don't know what they mean.
For example (to keep this relevant), would Reunion 6 still work, or
would this be the excuse I need to upgrade to 8?
I'm thinking of getting DSL, which would require getting OS 10.1-10.2.
My Mac is a G3. Using OS 9 both at home and at work (research lab).
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Michael Stupinski
Subject: Re: MrSid question
Julianne <jfishell@xxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> At the Library of Congress map website you can download all the great
> maps, etc that they have but they are in MrSid format (.sid). I would
> like to convert these to a viewable format especially since I am in OS X
> where Mr. Sid isn't even an option. I have tried opening an image in
> Photoshop. It doesn't recognize it. I haven't downloaded Graphic
> Converter but their website doesn't list the sid format.
>
> Any solutions?
***
I can use the MrSID viewer on my machine, which normally is running in
OSX (Jaguar), to view these maps. When I start MrSID it just starts
up, and runs under, "Classic" and I can view the maps fine. Have you
tried that?
........Mike
------------------------------
Date: June 09, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: MrSid question
Julianne <jfishell@xxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> I've been googling around to find an answer to this, with no luck....so
> I thought I'd ask here because I bet somebody will have an answer.
>
> At the Library of Congress map website you can download all the great
> maps, etc that they have but they are in MrSid format (.sid). I would
> like to convert these to a viewable format especially since I am in OS X
> where Mr. Sid isn't even an option. I have tried opening an image in
> Photoshop. It doesn't recognize it. I haven't downloaded Graphic
> Converter but their website doesn't list the sid format.
>
> Any solutions?
***
Julianne,
I checked once before, and again just now, and I don't like what I'm
seeing at LizardTech. Their MrSID browser plug-in is now renamed
something else, which doesn't bode well for those Ancestry.com
members (like me) stuck with no Mac support. And you can no longer
download their standalone viewer program unless you're willing to
sign up for a "free" membership (which I won't do).
So here's what I can tell you. I still have the standalone PPC
version of their MrSid viewer, which runs in Classic just fine. And
I have a PDF that goes along with it providing some information about
its capabilities. I will make that available to you if you reply to
me directly and let me know you want it.
If others on the ReunionTalk list reading this want this program, say
so here and I'll make it publicly available via my Mac.com web page.
This program can open the *.sid files you have from the LOC. And it
can save them as TIFF files, which are a widely supported image type.
GraphicConverter and other tools can then convert that to something
like GIF or JPG if you want. Naturally, Photoshop should be able to
edit that TIFF directly.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: omit living spouse
Keith Thienemann <KeithTh@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am seeking help in using the privacy option in creating web reports. I
> am (successfully) using the privacy option which excludes people with no
> death date born after 1910 but their spouses are included (full names)
> if I don't have a birth date listed for them. Until I can work around
> this, I will not post my data on the website. If I do have a birth date
> for the spouse, she/he is omitted and shows as "living" but if there
> isn't a birth date, the full name appears.
***
Yes, as you've seen, this aspect of the privacy filter relies on
having a birth date to work with.
However, if you choose Options -> Reports and look in the Privacy
Filter settings, you'll see that you can also exclude people with a
certain flag checked. So, I'd suggest that you choose Options ->
Define -> Person Fields, and define a custom "Living" or "Private"
flag. Then, set that flag for the people you want excluded who aren't
caught by the normal filter. Finally, enable filtering out people
with that flag back in the Privacy Filter settings.
This will initially take some time to do, but it should be easy to
maintain by simply setting that flag for living people (without birth
dates) as you add them in the future.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Sonja Sayre
Subject: correcting stat reports
Please help! How do you fix information that is on a stat report? For
instance, when I run my report I have the age of the youngest male parent
being 9 years old!! I know this is incorrect, but I cannot figure out how
to bring up the persons card to fix this.
Thanks Sonja
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Ruth Edney
Subject: CD for PC's
I know someone will have a solution to my problem. I just purchased an
Imac, largely to be able to create CD's and DVD's. I use Reunion 8 on
OSX, and love the platforms. However, in trying to create a CD which
can be read on a PC, I've been unsuccessful.
I created the gedcom 5.5 in Reunion 8 for Windows and then used Disc
Copy to burn it to CD as a read/write file. It opens fine on my
computer, but on the PC nothing happens. It shows no data on the CD.
Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong or what I need to change so
that the CD can be read by a PC.
I had this same experience when I burned some photos from Iphoto for
which I wanted to have prints made. The camera store could not find
anything on the CD.
Does the problem lie with using Disc Copy? Do I need another program in
order to make the CD compatible with a PC?
Thank you for all the wonderful suggestions about Reunion. I've enjoyed
the program for many years and am delighted now to have it for OSX.
Ruth
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Bill Williams
Subject: Re: MrSid question
In Digest 6/9/03, the person identified as Julianne, jfishell@xxxxx_com
hunted and pecked out the following:
***
> I've been googling around to find an answer to this, with no luck....so
> I thought I'd ask here because I bet somebody will have an answer.
>
> At the Library of Congress map website you can download all the great
> maps, etc that they have but they are in MrSid format (.sid). I would
> like to convert these to a viewable format especially since I am in OS X
> where Mr. Sid isn't even an option. I have tried opening an image in
> Photoshop. It doesn't recognize it. I haven't downloaded Graphic
> Converter but their website doesn't list the sid format.
>
> Any solutions?
***
Based on long-time experience with Lemke, the parent of GraphicConverter,
I suggest that you send them an email via their Web site
<www.lemkesoft.de>, explain the problem, and ask if they would consider
adding the .sid format to their translators. Can't hurt.
Oh yes, go ahead and download GC from the Web site. My guess is that
after less than an hour using it you will pony up the requested fee.
Selah!
BWms
bwms@xxx_com
bwms@xxxxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Bob White
Subject: Panther on the Horizon
Alicia <aliciajens@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> First I want to say a BIG thank you to all who took the time to write to
> me regarding the upgrade to Reunion 8..............I just need to now
> figure out what to upgrade to next - OS X, 10.2, or .................
***
Alicia: From the sounds of your words, it looks like you are using
10.1. If that is so and you are not in a big hurry to upgrade your OS,
you might want to wait. Most of the Mac news places are guessing that
10.3 will be out early - mid September. Since 10.2 (Jaguar) is slightly
over $100 and 10.3 (Panther) is very likely to be the same price, you
would save a few hard earned dollars.
Bob White*********Secretary & Membership
MacNexus: Sacramento's Macintosh User Group
(916) 363-7115***bobwhite@xxxxxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Lowell Stewart
Subject: Problems with LDS GEDCOM fields
Hello all,
This is about a problem with Reunion's import & export of some key LDS
fields in GEDCOM files. I recognize there are many Reunion users out
there that are not LDS and don't care much about these features. If
this does not interest you, of course feel free to bypass this message.
:-)
Okay, on with it. I've been "evaluating" Reunion for a couple years
now. I put evaluating in quotes, because at first I evaluated it, then
I bought it, but I'm still not completely sold on it. It has some
great features, and some features I really like. And for many
genealogical researchers it is fantastic. But my role at this point is
more of a clearinghouse or collaborator than a researcher.
The spot I find myself in, is that I'm trying to be a family history
"hub" for my extended family. There are several relatives (close and
distant) doing research on different lines of our family, and we want
one central web site where we can keep a relatively up-to-date copy of
what's known. My job is to merge the data set to me into a central
repository, making it available (password-protected) to others in our
extended family. In other words, I'm doing lots of GEDCOM exchange.
Many of the people submitting their GEDCOMs to me are creating the
files using PAF. And since ours is a predominantly LDS family, the LDS
data is valuable to us.
The problem: Reunion's internal data structures & file format
apparently don't handle one of the key LDS fields -- SLGC, or Sealing
Child -- in the way that is required by the GEDCOM spec and that is
expected by many other genealogy programs. The GEDCOM file spec
indicates that this tag--SLGC--has a *required* subordinate tag, a FAMC
cross-reference to a specific family record in the file. When
importing such valid GEDCOM files, Reunion interprets this FAMC tag as
a simple memo instead, effectively ignoring the cross-reference. Later
when a GEDCOM is exported, this field is just exported as a NOTE--no
cross-reference to a particular family is recorded. Worst of all, when
that GEDCOM is then imported into another program (such as PAF, or the
excellent TNG SiteBuilder), the entire SLGC tag is thrown out because
the required FAMC tag is missing.
The net result is, I import a GEDCOM into Reunion, turn around and
export the data out of Reunion, and I have immediately lost all data
related to the LDS "Seal to Parents" event. As far as data interchange
with other LDS people goes, this is very undesirable.
My question is, how have others dealt with this problem? Right now the
option I am facing is to set up a Windows PC purely so I can use
another genealogy program that won't throw away this data whenever I
import/export. Anyone have any better ideas?
Thanks,
Lowell
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: ann
Subject: Re: CD for PC's
In a message dated 6/10/03 2:26:29 PM, re@xxxxxxxx_net writes:
> Does the problem lie with using Disc Copy? Do I need another program in
> order to make the CD compatible with a PC?
Yes. I suggest Toast. And there are a couple of ways to burn a CD
using Toast to make sure that it works on a PC.
First, under the "data" option, there are a couple of choices that
make hybrid CDs, regualr or extended, that are supposed to work on
either Mac or PC.
Then under "other" option, there is a setting called ISO 9660. I've
found that setting to be the best to assure that it's going to work
on a PC.
I've used the ISO 9660 setting to burn photos on a CD that I can take
to Kinko's and print out on their Kodak Picturemakers. It doesn't
work in all Picturemakers that are out there, especially the older
models, but it works with the ones that are in our local Kinko's.
It's been great for some of the photo projects I've done with the old
photos I've accumulated during my genealogy research.
One other great feature with Toast is the ability to do multi-session
burning. That wasn't available on the disc burning software that came
with my G3 tower. In fact someone at Apple told me that it wasn't
possible to burn multi-session CDs with my burner. However once I
installed Toast, I could do it.
Since I had a major crash a while ago, I burn a back-up of my really
important files frequently, especially my Reunion files. And if you
have included photos in your file, don't forget to copy that folder
too. I have one CD with 12 versions of My Family File. Now that I'm
using Jaguar, crashes aren't such an issue, but I still do it and
it's actually kind of fun to go back and see where you've been and
how far you've come with your research.
Ann Griffee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ann Griffee - Clint Griffee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
View our family genealogy site
at http://www.griffee.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Patrick Forbes
Subject: CD for PC's
Ruth Edney wrote:
***
> I know someone...However, in trying to create a CD which can be read on
> a PC, I've been unsuccessful.
>
> I created the gedcom 5.5 in Reunion 8 for Windows and then used Disc
> Copy to burn it to CD as a read/write file. It opens fine on my
> computer, but on the PC nothing happens. It shows no data on the CD. Can
> someone tell me what I'm doing wrong or what I need to change so that the
> CD can be read by a PC.
>
> I had this same experience when I burned some photos from Iphoto for
> which I wanted to have prints made. The camera store could not find
> anything on the CD.
>
> Does the problem lie with using Disc Copy? Do I need another program in
> order to make the CD compatible with a PC?
***
No, you don't want to use Disk Copy for that type of job. You might
want to try this one if you have files on disks though:
1- Create a folder on the Desktop appropriately named in your short
hand.
2- Drag all the files you want on the CD into that new folder. You can
click in the originating folder and press the little Apple key and 'A'
which will select them all in one shot if you need to.
3- Insert your blank CD and give it an appropriate name when prompted.
It will later become permanent.
4- Do the 'Apple' and 'A' thing in that new folder and drag the lot of
them to the CD icon.
5- Then drag that Icon to the 'Dock' onto the 'Burn' icon.
Or, if your stuff is all ready in your iMac:
Start at '3-' and drag what you need to the new CD, then do '5-' and
you're done.
Patrick
Patrick Forbes
695 Ashburn Street
Winnipeg, Manitoba
R3G 3C6
204-786-2034
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: aliciajens
Subject: Re: Panther on the Horizon
Bob White wrote:
***
> Alicia: From the sounds of your words, it looks like you are using 10.1.
> If that is so and you are not in a big hurry to upgrade your OS, you
> might want to wait. Most of the Mac news places are guessing that 10.3
> will be out early - mid September. Since 10.2 (Jaguar) is slightly over
> $100 and 10.3 (Panther) is very likely to be the same price, you would
> save a few hard earned dollars.
***
Thank you so much for your note, Bob!
Very much appreciated, as your advice and thoughts make great sense!
I am using 10.1.5....
Time to save up a little to upgrade the others first then!
Again, thanks a bunch!
All the Best,
Alicia
By the Way, Have already received my Reunion 8, installed it, and Love it!
But then again, I always loved my old Reunion! :-)
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: ERobin6886
Subject: Re: MrSid question
***
> I still have the standalone PPC version of their MrSid viewer, which
> runs in Classic just fine. And I have a PDF that goes along with it
> providing some information about its capabilities. I will make that
> available to you if you reply to me directly and let me know you want it.
>
> If others on the ReunionTalk list reading this want this program, say so
> here and I'll make it publicly available via my Mac.com web page.
***
Steve, I've nearly pulled out my hair trying to use Mr. Sid. I would like for
you to make it available. I'm sure there others like me. Nancy in CA
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: MrSid question
I received quite a number of requests for access to the MrSID files I
offered to Julianne, so I've decided to set up a web page and make
what I have available. Visit
<http://homepage.mac.com/stevejackson/GenStuff.html> to get them.
I included a link to the page where my FolderUpdater utility is
offered, should anyone be interested. I provided a PDF file
containing the GEDCOM 5.5 standard, the document which governs the
format and content of a GEDCOM file, though this is mostly of
interest to those who might do some programming.
Most importantly, I've provided two files related to MrSID:
(1) In a self-extracting archive file, you'll find the MrSID
Standalone Viewer program (version 2.0), which does work under
Classic mode if you're in OS X. If you're still running OS 9 or
earlier, it works normally there. If you use OS X when you download
this file (which has the extension "sea"), it may not automatically
extract itself if you double-click it, in which case you can simply
have the StuffIt Expander program open it.
(2) There's a PDF file there which is essentially the documentation
for this viewer program, describing its capabilities and features.
Some of you inquired about whether these programs are still available
from LizardTech. They are, but now you have to "sign up" for a free
account in order to download anything they offer. They still offer
the MrSID Browser plug-in used at Ancestry.com for 1920 and earlier
census images, but it's got a new name. It can still be obtained via
links at Ancestry under the old name, however. If any of you decide
you'd really like to have it, I can add it to this page. In OS 9 and
earlier, it works with Netscape 4.x and Internet Explorer 5 (maybe
4), but it doesn't work under ANY browsers in OS X. I've heard that
it can be made to work with Netscape 6 and 7 under OS 9 (perhaps
Classic as well) but haven't confirmed this since I no longer use OS
9 much.
In any event, if any of you know of other regularly desired files,
utilities, etc., that I may be able to get and make available here,
let me know and I'll see what I can do. I've only got up to 100 MB
of total storage space on my Mac.com account, and I have a few other
files there -- but at present, I've got a large percentage of it
empty and don't mind providing some files as a service to members of
this list.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Jim Merwin
Subject: Re: Changes with OS X?
This page at Apple's website (link is below) is probably the best place
to start to answer your questions. Keep in mind that everyone will
have their own personal take on the merits and challenges in moving
from OS 9 to X. I'll throw one in from my perspective: You should
have at least 256MB RAM and probably at least a 20GB hard disk drive.
That hard disk drive size needed may really be higher or lower
depending on what you use your computer for. Anyway, read through the
info in the link (there's a subsequent link for more info at the
bottom) and don't hesitate to ask followup questions.
As for Reunion, it will run in Classic Mode which means that you won't
be forced to upgrade to Reunion 8 but that's clearly the best way to go.
Jim.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/questions.html
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: Bill Williams
Subject: Re: Changes with OS X?
In Digest 6/10/03, the person identified as Carol Botteron,
<botteron@xxxx_mit.edu> hunted and pecked out the following:
***
> When you change from OS 9 to OS X, what software do you have to change,
> and what other changes would there be? If someone can point me to a web
> site that explains the differences in simple terms, that would be great.
> I don't really know what questions to ask. I've heard phrases like
> "Classic mode" but don't know what they mean.
***
When you install OS X you should also let "Classic" install -- this means
that when you are running OS X and attempt to start a non-OS X
application the "Classic" (i.e., 9.x) OS will start and open the
application.
***
> For example (to keep this relevant), would Reunion 6 still work, or
> would this be the excuse I need to upgrade to 8?
***
With OS X and Classic installed, starting Reunion 6 would cause Classic
to start and then you'd run Reunion under that. But I'd recommend going
ahead and getting Reunion 8 and the downloadable update.
***
> I'm thinking of getting DSL, which would require getting OS 10.1-10.2.
> My Mac is a G3. Using OS 9 both at home and at work (research lab).
***
Unless there's something unusual going on, this doesn't compute. I'm
using a G4, my wife is using a G3 iMac, and we have a clamshell Indigo
iBook (G3), and they all happily share a DSL connection via a LinkSys
router and Ethernet cabling.
Selah!
BWms
bwms@xxx_com
bwms@xxxxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 10, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: Changes with OS X?
In ReunionTalk Digest of 10 June 2003, Carol Botteron wrote:
> ... I'm thinking of getting DSL, which would require getting OS 10.1-10.2.
> My Mac is a G3. Using OS 9 both at home and at work (research lab).
Carol,
I am running a 7500 with a Crescendo 500 mhz G3 cpu card on OS8.6. I have been on DSL for over three years (both before and after upgrading the 7500/100 with the G3 card. So, DSL itself does not necessarily require OS X in any flavor.
Since I AM still on 8.6, I will let others address the remaining issues.
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: KeithTh
Subject: no birth dates
How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
that have no birth dates?
Keith Thienemann
Thienemann Family Historian
2017 Burnt Bridge Road
Lynchburg, Virginia 24503-2213
USA
tel: 434-384-9636
e-mail: KeithTh@xxx_com
web site: www.thienemann-archive.org
imageartwork.com
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: tony.gott
Subject: Export GEDCOM options
Currently when you intend to export a GEDCOM you are given a number of
options. Either All People or Marked People and their Spouses, with an
option to include 'and their Children'.
How easy would it be to add the option of being able to include 'and their
Parents' in the next version, or even one the minor incremental upgrades?
This would be an important upgrade for me as it would greatly assist me
when I have to partial updates to my website of those persons changed since
a particular date.
Thanks
Tony Gott
Shetland
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: Tom Robinson
Subject: Re: Slow opening
***
> Before the version 8, the research access by typing only few letters in
> the << Index Window >> was instantly but now, I must wait few moments,
> otherwise the primary letters (#177#3) are not captured. For example, if
> I'm looking for the word << cardinal >> in the index, as I would do in
> version 7, the result of the reseach would be << dinal >>.
***
There seems to be a general loss of type-ahead in version 8: I miss it in the index and when bringing up a person window. Bit of a shame, because it would ameliorate some of the OS X / Reunion sluggishness...
Cheers
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: daveh
Subject: Changing from OS9 to OSX
Carol Botteron wrote:
***
> When you change from OS 9 to OS X, what software do you have to
> change,and what other changes would there be? If someone can point me
> to a web site that explains the differences in simple terms, that would
> be great. I don't really know what questions to ask. I've heard phrases
> like "Classic mode" but don't know what they mean.
>
> For example (to keep this relevant), would Reunion 6 still work, or
> would this be the excuse I need to upgrade to 8?
>
> I'm thinking of getting DSL, which would require getting OS 10.1-10.2.
> My Mac is a G3. Using OS 9 both at home and at work (research lab).
***
Carol
"Classic Mode" is simply OS 9.2 running within OSX to handle those applications which are not compatible with OSX.
To answer your specific question re. Reunion - I have Version 6.0.2 which runs perfectly in Classic mode on my iBook (OSX 10.2.6).
Dave Hales, Penarth, UK
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: jimlow
Subject: Re: no birth dates
KeithTh@xxx_com wrote:
> How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
> that have no birth dates?
I found by using the "find anything" selection by selecting
Birth date ---> Is ---> (leave empty)
gives you a list of EMPTY bith date fields. I got caught a few times,
though, where I THOUGHT a birth field was blank, but had a space in the
field.
Jim Low
jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
http://members.rogers.com/jimlow/
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: Linda Roberts
Subject: Re: no birth dates
KeithTh@xxx_com wrote:
> How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
> that have no birth dates?
If you are looking for people with a blank birthdate field,
Find people whose Birthdate IS (leave field blamk)
If you want to include people you have entered an "abt" date, then in
addition to the above,
OR
People whose Birthdate includes abt (or ca or whatever you use)
Hope this helps.
Linda Roberts
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: no birth dates
In ReunionTalk Digest of June 11, 2003, Keith Thienemann asks
> How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
> that have no birth dates?
Keith,
Well, if they are in your database and actually exist(ed), they DID have a
birth date! <g>
To find those folks in your database for whom you have not entered a birth
date, go to Find --> Anything, People -- Events -- Birth Date -- Is --- and
leave the value field blank.
Enjoy.
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: Rowland & Wilma Carson
Subject: Re: CD for PC's
Ruth Edney <re@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> Does the problem lie with using Disc Copy? Do I need another program in
> order to make the CD compatible with a PC?
***
Ruth - I believe that between OS X 10.1 and 10.2 a change was made to
Disc Copy, so that it no longer created CDs that could be read on
windoze machines. I almost always use Toast (partly because
Retrospect backup won't work with my new PowerBook!!) for burning
CDs, and it has options to create either Mac-only or cross-platform
CDs. You can also opt to make the discs readable by pre-OS 8 Macs.
I bought the version of Toast with Jam, the audio disc application,
but if you don't need that it is cheaper.
regards
Rowland
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@xxxxx_net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: JB Wilson
Subject: Ancestor Report
Hello list,
I have always been a little frustrated over not having an ancestor
report that is similar to the Family History Report which makes a
very nice report on a person's descendants. What I want to do is
take a person and have a report of his/her ancestors direct line. I
have used the ahnentafel report but that is not exactly the format
that I like. I like the format of the Family History Report, but in
reverse. Is there such a thing and have I just missed it? I would
have liked to use such a report on numerous occasions.
Regards, JB Wilson
------------------------------
Date: June 11, 2003
From: Rowland & Wilma Carson
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Canon CanoScan 5000F scanner
Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@xxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> the OmniPage OCR stuff bundled with it is OS 9 only. It will not install
> in the Classic environment, because of some permission foul-up.
***
Hal of this parish has provided the answer! I got it installed &
working after creating a root user (see Mac OS X Missing Manual by
David Pogue) and logging in as root to run the installer. Then I had
to figure out in which invisible directory it had been put
(/private/var/root/applications) and move it over to the OS 9
applications folder (using unix command mv in the terminal
application, see op. cit.) and finally fix the ownership &
permissions (op. cit.).
I found it best to install the complete suite of stuff for the
scanner under Classic, even though I don't plan to scan in that
environment - this means that everything the OCR expects is in the
right places.
Thanks Hal, and apologies for further off-topic ramblings!
regards
Rowland
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@xxxxx_net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: correcting stat reports
Sonja Sayre <sgsayre@xxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> How do you fix information that is on a stat report? For instance, when
> I run my report I have the age of the youngest male parent being 9 years
> old!! I know this is incorrect, but I cannot figure out how to bring up
> the persons card to fix this.
***
Give this a try... Choose Find -> Anything and do a search with the
following condition:
Attributes -> Age at First Child Less Than 13
That will give you a list of the people who supposedly had their
first child at age 12 or less. Once you've found the person, you
should be able to check the record and correct any problems.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: no birth dates
Keith Thienemann <KeithTh@xxx_com> wrote:
> How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
> that have no birth dates?
Keith,
Select "Birth Date is" and leave the value field empty. This will
find all empty birth date fields.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: George Appel
Subject: Re: no birth dates
Keith Thienemann <KeithTh@xxx_com> wrote
> How do I use the "find anything" option to find people in my database
> that have no birth dates?
Keith,
Use "Find Anything" to find birth dates "after" an arbitrary year like 100.
Unmark all records and mark this set. After doing so, go under "Find" to
"Presets" to "Find Unmarked".
That should do it.
George D. Appel
Pittsburgh, PA
gdappel1@xxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Ruth Edney
Subject: Re: CD for PC
Thanks to Ann and Patrick for their help with having a cd work with a
PC. This Reunion list is a wonderful source of helpful information for
making the Mac and Reunion even more powerful. Ruth
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Darrin Lythgoe
Subject: Custom sources & TNG
A short while ago someone posted a message about "The Next Generation of
Genealogy Sitebuilding" (TNG), of which I am the author. While the message
was very positive, it also mentioned that TNG could not handle any of the
custom source tags that Reunion made possible. That was true then, but I'm
happy to announce that this hole has been filled, meaning that TNG can now
handle all Reunion source tags, as well as all custom individual and family
tags. If you'd like more information, please visit
http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php, or mail me directly at darrin
at lythgoes dot net.
Sincerely,
Darrin Lythgoe
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Rick/Shelly Arnold
Subject: Re: Ancestor Report
JB Wilson <designs@xxxxxxx_com>
> I have always been a little frustrated over not having an ancestor
> report that is similar to the Family History Report which makes a
> very nice report on a person's descendants. What I want to do is
> take a person and have a report of his/her ancestors direct line. I
> have used the ahnentafel report but that is not exactly the format
> that I like. I like the format of the Family History Report, but in
> reverse. Is there such a thing and have I just missed it? I would
> have liked to use such a report on numerous occasions.
Ditto!!!!, I would love this as well.
Shelly LOW Arnold
------------------------------
Date: June 12, 2003
From: Allan Mitchell
Subject: Re: CD for PC's
Macs can still burn Windows compatible CDs using Disk Copy but it is not
the default setting. You must choose the MS-DOS format. Here is what OS X
help says;
*******
Creating a CD in MS-DOS format:
When you burn a CD from the finder, Mac OS X creates a Hybrid format disc
that is readable on most computers. If you want to create a CD specifically
for non-Macintosh computers, use Disk Copy to create an MS-DOS or UNIX
format CD.
Open Disk Copy, located in the Utilities folder inside the Applications
folder on your hard disk. Open Preferences from the Disk Copy menu and
click the Creating tab. Select MS-DOS File System or UNIX File system from
the Format pop-up menu.
*******
You also need to setup the CD size(capacity) you will be burning. Toast
makes this process a little easier but Disk Copy Utility is free.
I would not suggest trying to burn multi-session CDs because they really
complicate the issue and with CDs so cheap, why bother. Multi-sessions are
not well supported in Macs or Win machines without a third party program. I
hope this helps.
Al
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Lola J. Angell
Subject: List of Surnames?
Is there some way I can get an alphabetized list of just surnames? I
am getting so many people (600 or so) in my file it's hard to remember
them all.
It's probably that I'm an old granny.
Thanks,
Lola
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Margaret
Subject: Changing ID numbers
I have started a family tree, and subsequently found earlier ancestors.
However, when I enter the father and mother of my original couple. they are
assigned much higher ID numbers. i.e. The next numbers to the last people
on my tree. How can I make this couple number 1 and 2 ?- or can I ?- It
appears to say in Help that they are written in stone.
Margaret Davidson.
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Andrew Hartung
Subject: half brother
What is the best way to add my brother to Reunion? He is from my
mother's first marriage. When she married my father, he adopted him so
we share the same last name. I have him listed with her first marriage
with his original surname, and with her second marriage(my father) with
this last name and the adoption flag, but that makes it seem like he
has totally different biological parents.
Thank you,
Andrew Hartung
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Robert Browning
Subject: Entering Data
I have Family Tree Maker and put in family for last 300 years. I cannot
open this up in OS X, but have printout that I am trying to put into
Reunion 8.03 but I cannot enter info past my parents. How can I start
at first entry and then put in entries down to my name?
Robert G. Browning
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: RogerKIWI
Subject: Re: CD for PC's
Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@xxxxx_net> writes:
> Ruth Edney <re@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
>
> ***
> > Does the problem lie with using Disc Copy? Do I need another program in
> > order to make the CD compatible with a PC?
> ***
>
> Ruth - I believe that between OS X 10.1 and 10.2 a change was made to
> Disc Copy, so that it no longer created CDs that could be read on
> windoze machines.
This is not the case....
In early versions of Mac OS X, a CD made by Mac OS X that contained a
hierarchy of folders could not be properly read on a PC - the PC could only
see the CD, and see inside the first one or two levels of the hierarchy (I
don't remember the exact details).
The current situation seems to have solved this - CDs I make on my G4
(under Mac OS X 10.2.6 currently), whether made by iTunes, or by the Finder
are readable on PCs.
I haven't run a test to see just how deep into a folder hierarchy a PC can
see, but today my wife took a CD to her work that I made yesterday, and
reports that she can see the contents of a folder that's inside a folder on
the CD.
Toast is great if you want to do more advanced things, like Custom CD
icons, Video CD, etc but for the basics of putting a file or files onto a
CD the Apple Disk Burning software is fine.
Roger
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: kuraliaz
Subject: Re: Slow Opening
Tom,
Which is exactly why I am back to using Reunion in 9.2. Waiting 3 - 4
seconds every time I accessed the Index was not an option I could put up
with and is why I feel Reunion 8 was a waste of money for me.
Paula
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Bob White
Subject: Half Brother
Andrew Hartung <list@xxxxx_com> wrote:
> What is the best way to add my brother to Reunion? He is from my
> mother's first marriage. When she married my father, he adopted him so
> we share the same last name. I have him listed with her first marriage
> with his original surname, and with her second marriage(my father) with
> this last name and the adoption flag, but that makes it seem like he
> has totally different biological parents.
I fit your brother's description exactly in regard to parental
circumstances. I don't know if it is the "best way" but I have only
entered myself under my mother's first marriage but with my adoptive
last name and, in the notes section, an explanation that I was adopted
by her second husband with specifics regarding date, location, etc.
Bob White*********Secretary & Membership
MacNexus: Sacramento's Macintosh User Group
(916) 363-7115***bobwhite@xxxxxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: jimlow
Subject: Re: half brother
Andrew Hartung <list@xxxxx_com> wrote:
> What is the best way to add my brother to Reunion? He is from my
> mother's first marriage. When she married my father, he adopted him so
> we share the same last name. I have him listed with her first marriage
> with his original surname, and with her second marriage(my father) with
> this last name and the adoption flag, but that makes it seem like he
> has totally different biological parents.
Exactly like the situation in my family: I adopted my wife's daughters from
her first marriage and they took my surname. I entered each of them only
once in Reunion, but link them to two fathers: when I specified the second
father I got the warning they were already linked to the first, but by
selecting "duplicate" Reunion allows linking to both. I then flag them as
adopted by me (and my wife -- she really DID have to legally adopt her own
children when I adopted them!). I'm still not sure how best to represent
their original birth surname. We DID keep their orginal surname as a
middle name but, of course, that doesn't show in the listing of surnames.
I created a dummy record with the original surname, without link, but made
a note to refer to the adopted surname. Anyone else have a suggestion on
this? Also, when preparing a pedigree chart for them, it I have to select
only one father or the other. I assume reunion can't prepare a pedigree
chart where there are more than two parents. [I know and understand the
ideas of some that a pedigree chart should only show biological ancestry
but I feel differently, as upbringing and culture also passes through lines
to be passed through adopted children.]
Jim Low
jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
http://members.rogers.com/jimlow/
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Mary Arthur
Subject: Re: adopted by mother's husband
Andrew Hartung <list@xxxxx_com> wrote:
> What is the best way to add my brother to Reunion? He is from my
> mother's first marriage. When she married my father, he adopted him so
> we share the same last name. I have him listed with her first marriage
> with his original surname, and with her second marriage(my father)
> with this last name and the adoption flag, but that makes it seem like
> he has totally different biological parents.
I have created a flag called 'adopted by parent's spouse' - if I were
to do it now, I would create two - 'adopted by mother's husband' and
'adopted by father's wife' - one day I will go through my data base and
change them all.
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Changing ID numbers
Margaret Davidson <mriver@xxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> I have started a family tree, and subsequently found earlier ancestors.
> However, when I enter the father and mother of my original couple. they
> are assigned much higher ID numbers. i.e. The next numbers to the last
> people on my tree. How can I make this couple number 1 and 2 ?- or can
> I ?- It appears to say in Help that they are written in stone.
***
Margaret,
The help does indeed say that you cannot change ID numbers. I
haven't seen any real value in using those numbers, but perhaps you
can describe what purpose you have in wanting to control them and
maybe some enterprising list reader can offer a suggestion to help.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Ray Bowler
Subject: Re: Entering Data
***
> I have Family Tree Maker and put in family for last 300 years. I cannot
> open this up in OS X, but have printout that I am trying to put into
> Reunion 8.03 but I cannot enter info past my parents. How can I start at
> first entry and then put in entries down to my name?
> Robert G. Browning
***
First: I was using FTM when we changed and what I did was go to FILE
then Copy/export then enter a name for the file ending in GED then
under File type select GEDCOM. This Gedcom can be imported into
Reunion and save a lot of typing. My wife had about 350 years of data
to import and it did it well--although the notes section might not
have came over correctly.
I'll leave the Reunion data entry to others because I don't do it.
Ray Bowler
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: List of Surnames?
In ReunionTalk Digest of June 13, 2003, Lola wrote
> Is there some way I can get an alphabetized list of just surnames? I
> am getting so many people (600 or so) in my file it's hard to remember
> them all.
I would like that answer also. She also wrote:
> It's probably that I'm an old granny.
C'mon now, Lola. Next thing you will be telling us you are the inspiration
for the Dickenson & Clark comic strip with your name! <g>
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Edgar Dohmann
Subject: Re: Slow Opening
Paula (kuraliaz@xxxxxxxxx_net) wrote...
***
> Which is exactly why I am back to using Reunion in 9.2. Waiting 3 - 4
> seconds every time I accessed the Index was not an option I could put up
> with and is why I feel Reunion 8 was a waste of money for me.
***
I suspect that these issues are mainly a matter of attempting to run OS X
on an underpowered or inefficiently configured sytem. I have over 45,000
records in my database, running R8 in native OS X mode and the index pops
up in about 1/2 sec for me. While this is noticeable longer than R8 on my
previous OS 8.6 machine, it still pops up by the time that I can move my
hand from the mouse to the keyboard. In every other way, R8 is MUCH
faster in OS X than it was in OS 8.6. Sometimes it's so fast that I swear
that it must be anticipating my next mouse click or keyboard stroke.
Apple did a great job of wrapping the Macintosh GUI around the UNIX core
of OS X, but, since it is a UNIX-based system, more care and attention
must be given to matters like memory, speed, disk drives, system
configurations, etc. than was required for earlier Macs in order to
squeeze out the maximum possible performance from a system.
I'll be happy to share some of my thoughts & experiences on this matter
with anyone who wants to drop me a personal note off-line.
-- Edgar Dohmann
edohmann@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
or
edgar@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 13, 2003
From: Tom Lundeen
Subject: Re: Slow Opening
> Which is exactly why I am back to using Reunion in 9.2. Waiting 3 - 4
> seconds every time I accessed the Index was not an option I could put up
> with and is why I feel Reunion 8 was a waste of money for me.
You're pointing your finger at wrong place. In some environments, _ANY_
program in OS/X would be slow. If you have one of these environments, then
_THAT_ is what is causing the slowdown.
If you are not running "Jaguar" (v10.2 or greater), programs will be slow.
If you are running on a computer which has a slow clock speed (it should be
400mHz or faster), programs will be slow.
If your computer does not have sufficient memory, programs will be slow.
Sometimes, we are a victim of circumstances and environments -- for
whatever reason, we cannot afford to upgrade our computers. Some of us
cannot afford new cars, so we keep driving the old ones. If you cannot play
a CD in your current car, then either you upgrade the current car by buying
a new(er) one or you install a CD player.
The easiest (and least expensive) to upgrade is the memory (RAM) for your
computer. Prices are VERY reasonable at the moment. If you're using OS/X,
you must be using a G3 or G4-equipped Mac. I'd seriously considering maxing
out your computer with memory, as it will help the operation more than
anything short of buying a new computer. At least upgrade to 512mb -- OS/X
programs are _serious_ memory hogs, much more so than OS/9 program.
If you are not running Jaguar, that's an upgrade that you would almost be
foolish not to make. I use my Macs in my profession, and I refused to
upgrade until Jaguar came along -- OS/X before that was just too darned
slow!
I would strongly caution against folks installing a processor upgrade card
-- that's much like putting a big V-8 into a Model-T! Best to invest the
money in buying a new Mac (or even a used or refurbished one).
If you're not willing to spend the money to upgrade the computer, that's
OK. We all have our priorities, but please understand that it is NOT the
programs that are at fault! I'm using Reunion (and several other programs)
daily, and there is absolutely no problem with speed. I even have the
program on one computer and the datafile on another -- meaning access
across a network would typically slow it down. Instead, I find it easily
two and three times faster than OS/9 is on the same computer on the same
network.
When I move the datafile to the same computer as the program file, it is
BLAZINGLY fast. This is running on a G4/933 with 10.2.3 and a Titanium
G4/1Ghz with 10.2.6.
If and when you upgrade your computer, you will find that Reunion is not as
slow as you think.
Tom Lundeen
PS: If your hard drive is crowded (less than 10% of its capacity
remaining), this could also slow things down.
------------------------------
Date: June 14, 2003
From: fholcombe
Subject: adding a generation
In doing some research, I realized that I have left out an early
generation. Is there an easy way to add this guy into the family without
having to go back and edit every single card? TIA Faith
------------------------------
Date: June 14, 2003
From: martha
Subject: RE: slow opening
Paula wrote:
***
> Waiting 3 - 4 seconds every time I accessed the Index was not an option
> I could put up with and is why I feel Reunion 8 was a waste of money for
> me.
***
Gee, Paula, I am surprised that you are cutting off your nose despite
your face. Reunion 8 has so many wonderful new features, a few
seconds out of your life would not be such a loss, it seems to me. Or
perhaps what you meant was that OS X was not an option for you and
that you are using Reunion 8 under OS 9.2?
Martha
------------------------------
Date: June 15, 2003
From: Christopher K. Philippo
Subject: Marriage Status
Is it possible to enter dates for both Separation and Divorce? There's
only one field, and I can't figure out if an additional one can be
added.
thanks,
Chris
------------------------------
Date: June 15, 2003
From: Christopher K. Philippo
Subject: Place modifiers?
Are there any Place modifiers, like nr (near)?
thanks,
Chris
------------------------------
Date: June 15, 2003
From: Vewinn100
Subject: Switching from MAC to PC
I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade to
OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I have
not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a PC and
would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to be
reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for both
platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
Virginia Winn
vewinn100@xxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 15, 2003
From: Tom Lundeen
Subject: Re: Slow Opening
Paula Listzwan at kuraliaz@xxxxxxxxx_net wrote:
***
> I have a G4 @733 GZ running Jaguar (10.2.6) with 1G of ram. Furthermore
> I have 2 hard drives. One with 40 Gigbytes and the other with 160. I am
> nowhere near 10%. The slow down is not on my end! Perhaps you have a
> very small database that you are working with or the fact that it takes
> 3 seconds for the index to respond or a family data card to respond does
> not bother you.
***
Paula:
Your equipment should be fast enough, and it certainly has sufficient RAM.
Two hard drives does not solve the problem, however. OS/X uses invisible
files on the drive containing OS/X to write its virtual memory files and
other temporary files. If that drive is crowded, it can really slow things
down as the hard drive must find non-contiguous space. Assuming that you
have OS/X on the 40gb drive, it _should_ be sufficient, depending on what
space is available. For example, Photoshop will write HUGE temporary files,
so if you happen to have that running at the same time, it _could_ cause
problems. However, you could map the temporary "swap" files to your larger
disk, using Photoshop preferences.
The second drive (NOT containing OS/X) is irrelevant to the conversation --
it could have 1 MB or 50,000 gb -- it just doesn't figure into the "hard
disk thrashing while it tries to find free space" problem.
My database contains just over 10,000 names and is just over 7 megabytes.
Certainly not a mammoth database, but enough to slow down an older system.
My index window opens with a barely perceptible delay, and the list fills,
again with a barely perceptible delay. The total time from hitting Command+I
to full list is easily less than a second. Then (with the index open), if I
type the first four characters of a name as fast as I can type (touch
typist), the information is on the screen WITHOUT a perceptible delay. Keep
in mind that this is across a network, which is dramatically slower than on
a directly-connected hard drive.
Assuming you do not have a mammoth file, have you recently rebuilt the
index/database? As a professional database programmer, I can tell you that
index corruption can cause MANY problems, and the symptoms you describe fit
in that category. Try: "File -> Save a Copy... " and be sure that "Compact
Copy" is selected at the bottom of the dialog. I try and do this every month
or two (and it's been a while), so that the index thing doesn't become
problematic. If you're doing lots of data entry and editing, the
possibilities of problems increase.
Anyway, I still believe that it's not a problem with Reunion. I don't have
any clue what they use to write it or how they do, but if it works well
under my conditions, it's basically done right. That's not to deny that
you're having difficulties, but I think I'd look somewhere else.
Tom Lundeen
------------------------------
Date: June 15, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Bug in HTML Ahnentafel?
I think I just found a bug in Ahnentafel reports published to the web
folder. I want to describe it and see if anyone else has encountered
it and to make sure Leister's aware of it if it really is a bug.
Here are the details:
I start navigating at the first generation (myself, using that as the
example) using the icon that indicates the presence of ancestors.
When I get to a male ancestor (this never occurs on the female
ancestor, displayed below the males) who has only one photo listed,
but that photo is NOT designated as "preferred," then I see the
actual name of the image file on the web page following the name of
that person, some source links, and the camera icon. It may require
source links to appear as well, but I don't think I have any photos
attached to a person for whom no sources are listed following their
names, so I can't test this theory.
In my particular example, I can navigate up to my father and his
father, both of whom have "preferred" photos attached, and all is
well. I can continue navigating up as far as I know the male Jackson
ancestry and never see this problem, even though my GG Grandfather
has two photos attached and neither is designated as "preferred."
But if I navigate from my father to his mother and then to her father
(my "other" Great Grandfather), he shows the problem. Following his
name is the camera icon, 3 source links, then the name of a JPG file
which is the only attached photo and is NOT designated "preferred."
So...is this indeed a bug? If so, then I'm confident that Leister
will fix it just like all the others get fixed when identified --
thanks, Leister.
One other thing...I just noticed too that the Ahnentafel doesn't
include any photo links for a family where I have all the attached
items designated as family. For instance, on one set of Great
Grandparents who died before my birth, I have a photo of their joint
headstone attached to the Family tab and nothing for either
individual. Should there not be a link to this multimedia item? If
there's not supposed to be one, I'd sure like to suggest that as a
feature enhancement (include a link from both of them).
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: ikemura
Subject: Re: Changing ID numbers
Margaret Davidson <mriver@xxxxx_net>
***
> I have started a family tree, and subsequently found earlier ancestors.
> However, when I enter the father and mother of my original couple. they
> are assigned much higher ID numbers. i.e. The next numbers to the last
> people on my tree. How can I make this couple number 1 and 2 ?- or can
> I ?- It appears to say in Help that they are written in stone.
***
I think what you probably want here is the User-Defined ID Numbers. If
you click on the person's name and examine the pop-up box, you will see
to the right, under 'Sex', is a field called 'User ID'. You can put any
number in there you want.
Now my question is..... is there any way to automate this? If you have a
huge database like I do, this could take forever!
Jane
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: KeithTh
Subject: pedigree on web pages
Is there any way to add a pedigree for individuals on the web generated
pages, even if it is just the "overview" information that you can so
easily access within Reunion? I think that would be a superb addition
to the web creating capabilities of Reunion. While being able to click
backward in time for an individual is certainly useful on the web
pages, I think the ability to either see or download (perhaps a PDF
file) a pedigree for an individual would give a greater perspective on
that person's genealogy.
Any assistance/advice would be appreciated.
Keith Thienemann
Thienemann Family Historian
tel: 434-384-9636
e-mail: KeithTh@xxx_com
web site: www.thienemann-archive.org
www.imageartwork.com
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Bug in HTML Ahnentafel?
Steve Jackson wrote (in the message above):
***
> So...is this indeed a bug?
***
I haven't been able to duplicate this situation here. If you or
another subscriber could e-mail me privately with any further details
on the settings used to create a HTML version of the Ahnentafel
report with this irregularity, I'd appreciate it. A web address of a
page demonstrating this could be quite helpful as well.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Priscilla
Subject: new Mac computer
Hello,
I am in the market for a new computer and hope that someone on this list
can give me a suggestion. I have a Power Mac G3; Reunion 8; MacOs 9.
Any suggestions out there?
Priscilla
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: AEP
Subject: Re: Marriage Status
Christopher K. Philippo at cphilipp@xxxxx_rr.com wrote:
> Is it possible to enter dates for both Separation and Divorce? There's
> only one field, and I can't figure out if an additional one can be
> added.
Perhaps the best location for this data is in the FAMILY CARD under EVENTS;
It already has entries for Intent to marry, engagement & resisence. It is a
simple matter to enter the info on both the seperation and the divorce at
this location.
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Re: List of Surnames?
Lola wrote:
> Is there some way I can get an alphabetized list of just surnames? I
> am getting so many people (600 or so) in my file it's hard to remember
> them all.
And then Bob Emnett wrote:
> I would like that answer also.
Although it is not a direct route to a list of just surnames, creating
a web card will allow you to do what you are wishing for (and there is
no need to publish it on the web just because of its name). When you
double click the newly created file, it opens in your browser, and
there is your list!
Margit
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Peter J Gergely
Subject: Re: List of Surnames?
Bob Emnett <rosebob@xxxxxx_net> wrote:
> In ReunionTalk Digest of June 13, 2003, Lola wrote
>
> > Is there some way I can get an alphabetized list of just surnames? I
> > am getting so many people (600 or so) in my file it's hard to remember
> > them all.
>
> I would like that answer also.
The simplest way to achieve a list of surnames requires another
program, capable of removing duplicate lines, such as BBEDIT or EMACS.
Here are the steps.
In Reunion,
Select File | Import/Export | Export Text...
Remove all fields except for "Last Name"
Deselect "Put fields in quotes"
Click OK
Take the resulting file into BBEDIT, sort the lines, and then use the
"Process Duplicate Lines" command, selecting to keep only 1.
It takes about a minute to do the whole process once you get the hang of it.
- Peter
Peter J. Gergely <mailto:gergely@xxxxxxxxxxx_net>
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: A.W. Neef
Subject: Re: no birth dates (global edit?)
Recent posts have helped me to Find in my database:
9 people with Birth Date equal to "?" (excluding the quotes).
202 peope with Birth Date blank.
I have Marked those 202 people.
I want to change those 202 people to Birth Date equal to "?" (excluding
the quotes).
How can I do it globally?
Liz Neef Grass Lake, MI, USA <bneef@xxxxxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Piglet
Subject: **slow** indexing, opening and whatnot
On 6/16/03 Tom Lundeen <tom@xxxxxxx_org> shared this thought (in part):
> The easiest (and least expensive) to upgrade is the memory (RAM) for
> your computer. Prices are VERY reasonable at the moment. If you're using
> OS/X, you must be using a G3 or G4-equipped Mac. I'd seriously
> considering maxing out your computer with memory, as it will help the
> operation more than anything short of buying a new computer. At least
> upgrade to 512mb -- OS/X programs are _serious_ memory hogs, much more
> so than OS/9 program.
I can verify the below from personal experience.
When I started using R8, it was on an iBook with 128 megs of memory.
Now at 512 megs, all the "slow" is fixed........
-pig
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: kuraliaz
Subject: Re: Reunion 8
Martha,
Yes. I am using Reunion 8 under OS9, but my intention in purchasing the
update was to go completely to OSX which I have done with almost every
other piece of software that I own. It is a disappointment.
Paula
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Virginia Winn <Vewinn100@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
Virginia,
There is not a Reunion for the PC. And, in my opinion, there's
nothing in the PC world that compares. For your sanity, please,
please don't buy a PC. There's nothing you can do on a PC that a
well-kept Mac can't do better.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: AEP
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Virginia Winn <Vewinn100@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
As much as one might like to have Reunion running on a PC system, it ain't
gonna happen. There is no such animal.
Since your Mac is a G3, it will run both OS X and Reunion v8 in native OS X.
Reunion v8 also runs under OS 9.x very well and might make a good
intermediate step as rumor has it that OS X is undergoing yet another
revision that is due out this coming fall.
AE Palmer <aepalmer@xxxxxx_com>
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Patrick Forbes
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Virginia Winn <Vewinn100@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
Don't go to a PC, PLEASE! Reunion is the best there is and only works
on a Mac. And so is Mac. I'm into my third and just got off the phone
with a fella in California who needs a Mac to make his DVDs work right.
If you eventually downgrade to a PC, you might want to look at 'Virtual
Mac for PCs' to run Reunion.
Patrick
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: William Taber
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Virginia Winn <Vewinn100@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
Virginia,
What you propose would be EXTREMELY difficult, since Reunion is not
available for the PC. There's no reason you can't upgrade to Reunion
8 on your G3, though. It will run fine on OS 9.2.
William Taber, Indianapolis
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: ROMAD
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Virginia Winn <Vewinn100@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
Virginia, there ISN'T a PC version of Reunion; you'd have to get one of the
inferior PC genealogy programs. Here is a better idea: Get a new Mac that
runs System 10 (or a "newer" pre-2003 one that runs both System 9 and
System 10) then if you HAVE to run a PC program, install Virtual PC and the
Windows OS of your choice (I prefer Windows 2000 Professional).
Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: joynt
Subject: Backup
I have just found a very neat little device to back up your files with. It
is call NEXDISK ...which is a compact USB plug that you can just plug into
your key board..it only holds 64 MB ..it is about the size of a pocket
knife and can be carried on your key chain...you can update your
information on it any time that your tree grows!! I thought this was very
neat little devise, I am running a lime iMac and don't have the capability
of backing up my stuff..and fortunately in about 4 years have never lost
any information!!!.
I have been doing Power Point presentations for each branch of my tree,
with photo's, text, immigration information such a ship pictures, passenger
lists, census in the late 1800, birth/marriage certificates, from Sweden,
Ireland, England and the US dating back to the 1500.
I now have them on my little Nexdisk and can take them with me any where.
You can register and download the information needed to start using it
<www.nexdisk.com>
$69.00 Cad.
It can be used with any computer so even those unfortunate PC drivers can
take advantage of these also! And of course you can show off your Reunion
Genealogy the unfortunates!
Happy Trails
JJ
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Ray Bowler
Subject: Re: new Mac computer
Priscilla <pwh@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> I am in the market for a new computer and hope that someone on this list
> can give me a suggestion. I have a Power Mac G3; Reunion 8; MacOs 9.
>
> Any suggestions out there?
***
Priscilla,
It you would describe your needs and how much you are willing to
spend we might be able to help more. I just received a catalog with
prices ranging from $794 (G4 eMac) to $3,300 for the Powerbook with a
17" screen. The prices are all over the place in between.
Ray Bowler
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Jason Long
Subject: Re: new Mac computer
Priscilla <pwh@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> I am in the market for a new computer and hope that someone on this list
> can give me a suggestion. I have a Power Mac G3; Reunion 8; MacOs 9.
>
> Any suggestions out there?
***
Any newish Mac will probably be an improvement over what you've got now,
I'm not sure that it really matters. The biggest change is the switch from
OS 9 to X; I switched precisely because OS X would allow me to do other
things on the computer while Reunion merged or reindexed. Things that it
wouldn't let me do under OS 9. And when you have 75,000 records like I do
that time really adds up at 15 minutes or so to do a simple merge! Under OS
X the whole process is much faster than in OS 9.
As for what to buy I'd recommend a laptop. I bought a used G3 Firewire
Powerbook last year and I wouldn't go back to a desktop again. My major
problem with smaller screen real estate on the Powerbook was alleviated by
hooking up my old external monitor to the Powerbook so I have boatloads of
space to work with. It's incredibly handy to put up a webpage or document
that you're transcribing on one screen while the other has Reunion. It's
also alleviated my desire for a big new LCD monitor as even the biggest
don't equal the total area of my current set-up.
I will concede that I have a lot of clutter on my desk from my external
Firewire HDs and CD burner, but the gain in portability is huge as I can
work on my own stuff while I have a bit of downtime at work.
Jason
------------------------------
Date: June 16, 2003
From: Patrick Forbes
Subject: Re: new Mac computer
Priscilla <pwh@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> I am in the market for a new computer and hope that someone on this list
> can give me a suggestion. I have a Power Mac G3; Reunion 8; MacOs 9.
>
> Any suggestions out there?
***
Priscilla, I can't promote my iMac enough. I got (I think) the latest &
last of the iMac 17s that runs OS9 and 10 because I already have a few
OS9 exclusive apps that I don't want to pay for upgrades if they exist.
Then I find that my reunion 7 boots a Virtual 9 'Environment' within OS
10.2. How much cooler can you get, eh?
Patrick
Patrick Forbes
695 Ashburn Street
Winnipeg, Manitoba
R3G 3C6
204-786-2034
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: half brother
Jim Low <jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com> sayeth:
> Andrew Hartung <list@xxxxx_com> wrote:
>
> > What is the best way to add my brother to Reunion? He is from my
> > mother's first marriage. When she married my father, he adopted him so
> > we share the same last name. I have him listed with her first marriage
> > with his original surname, and with her second marriage(my father) with
> > this last name and the adoption flag, but that makes it seem like he
> > has totally different biological parents.
>
> ...I'm still not sure how best to represent their original birth
> surname. We DID keep their orginal surname as a middle name but, of
> course, that doesn't show in the listing of surnames. I created a dummy
> record with the original surname, without link, but made a note to refer
> to the adopted surname. Anyone else have a suggestion on this? Also,
> when preparing a pedigree chart for them, it I have to select only one
> father or the other. I assume reunion can't prepare a pedigree chart
> where there are more than two parents. [I know and understand the ideas
> of some that a pedigree chart should only show biological ancestry but I
> feel differently, as upbringing and culture also passes through lines to
> be passed through adopted children.]
Jim,
It's pretty standard in genealogy to list multipul surnames for several
reasons; name change, adoption, marriage. Begin with the "original"
(maiden) surname and continue as needed. I have a cousin listed as, Jane
BURGESS FRENCH ARTTIEN FRENCH SAMPSON HARDY FRENCH.
I think there is a specific term for giveing a persons previous surname
as a middle name, but can't remember what it is. Sometimes people
hyphenate, as my friend Lance TAYLOR-WARREN did for his step-dad.
Genealogical usage does not always follow actual usage. For instance, you
have given your dau. middle names that were surnames, Grace Original LOW,
and that's all well and good, but I would enter her into my genealogy
records as Grace ORIGINAL LOW, with both surnames entered as surnames. A
note could resolve and usage issues, but since most folks don't uppercase
thier surnames in normal usage, none of this would matter as her name
would appear as Grace Original Low in either case.
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Jacqi
Subject: Re: 1901 Census prints
Has anyone been able to print out 1901 census data via your Macs?
If so, were there any particular requirements?
Thanks, Jacqi Corcoran, Melbourne, Australia
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Ted Hughes
Subject: RE: slow opening
> I suspect that these issues are mainly a matter of attempting to run
> OS X on an underpowered or inefficiently configured sytem.
> You're pointing your finger at wrong place. In some environments, _ANY_
> program in OS/X would be slow. If you have one of these environments,
> then _THAT_ is what is causing the slowdown.
> PS: If your hard drive is crowded (less than 10% of its capacity
> remaining), this could also slow things down.
> Assuming you do not have a mammoth file, have you recently rebuilt the
> index/database?
> Anyway, I still believe that it's not a problem with Reunion.
I have a G4 733 Quicksilver running OS X 10.2.6 with 1.12gb of ram and
two 120gb hard drives. The drives are only half full... leaving over 60
gigs available on each drive, so it is highly unlikely that temp files
are causing any problem. Using Reunion 8, I have a database with about
100,000 names. When I open the index, it takes from 4-8 seconds to
open. That is not a long time, but when working in Reunion for a long
time, it really adds up.... every 10 openings averages a minute. I have
checked the file for problems and rebuilt the index many times (and
that REALLY takes a long time). The problem is considerably worse on my
mothers iBook (G3 600mhz).
It should also be noted that Macs... OS9 and OSX.. do not really have
many problems with file fragmentation. Check your drive with Norton's
or something similar. It should be unusual to see more than 0.4%
fragmentation (I've never seen more than 0.2%). I have seen Windows
systems with as much as 40% fragmentation. So, fragmentation, while
possible, is probably not an issue.
Reunion 8 is noticeably slower for me. Reunion 7 on OS9 did not have
this problem, even when used in Classic. I have not tried Reunion 8 in
OS9 because I no longer have any need for OS9.
Ted
http://astrodawg.com/
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Judith Pisano
Subject: Slow index opening
After reading all the replies to Paula, I have to throw in my two cents. I
have the same problem she has. I have a powerbook G4, 400 MHz, 60 GB drive,
512 MB DRAM, running the latest version of Jaguar. There are about 13000
people in my database. When I open the index either through the button of
the keyboard command, it takes 3 seconds to fully open. If I start typing
a surname too quickly, the index goes to the second or third letter.
It would be nice if the index (or "find anything" lists) could be kept open
while doing work on the family cards. The SHOW button was a nice
improvement, but I find myself going to the index every few minutes.
Judy Pisano
http://www.BirdGenealogy.org
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Jim Merwin
Subject: Re: new Mac computer
Priscilla,
If you're looking for a new Macintosh computer, I'd recommend paying
attention to news coming out of next week's Worldwide Developers'
Conference hosted by Apple. There are many rumors floating around about
some major hardware announcements that will be made -- quite possibly the
biggest in several years. Your question can probably be better answered
a week from now if you don't need to make a purchase this week.
Jim.
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: SueLynn Sandifer
Subject: Gedcom Export
When you export a file from Reunion 8, do you use Gedcom 4.0 or Gedcom
5.5 and if you are going to PAF do you use Ancestral file???
Thanks. SueLynn
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: List of Surnames?
In ReunionTalk Digest of June 17, 2003, Margit Kristiansen suggests
> Although it is not a direct route to a list of just surnames, creating
> a web card will allow you to do what you are wishing for (and there is
> no need to publish it on the web just because of its name). When you
> double click the newly created file, it opens in your browser, and
> there is your list!
and Peter J Gergely says
> The simplest way to achieve a list of surnames requires another
> program, capable of removing duplicate lines, such as BBEDIT or EMACS.
>
> Here are the steps.
>
> In Reunion,
> Select File | Import/Export | Export Text...
> Remove all fields except for "Last Name"
> Deselect "Put fields in quotes"
> Click OK
>
> Take the resulting file into BBEDIT, sort the lines, and then use the
> "Process Duplicate Lines" command, selecting to keep only 1.
>
> It takes about a minute to do the whole process once you get the hang
> of it.
Both of these comments are in response to a desire expressed by Lola for a
simple list of surnames (without duplicates). A request I seconded. First,
I want to thank both Margit and Peter for their advice.
Although I have not to date done anything in Reunion on webcards, I will
see if I can muddle through it to get the desired list. As for BBEDIT, et
al, I know that I can export my entire index into MSExcel and create a VBA
macro to achieve the desired list. However, this is such an obvious need
for researchers that it should be a capability that Reunion provides within
itself. I did not search the archives but am confident that this request has
surfaced in the past. Basically, I do not think that we should be required
to generate this type of information using programs like BBEDIT, or Excel
macros. Reunion is a database and it should be able to provide a simple
list like this. If I wanted to program for simple needs, I would create my
own genealogy database. Reunion is a GREAT tool that I have been with
through several versions. This is a glaring hole.
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Bob White
Subject: Slow Opening R8
> I can verify the below from personal experience.
>
> When I started using R8, it was on an iBook with 128 megs of memory.
> Now at 512 megs, all the "slow" is fixed........
>
> -pig
Rule of thumb -- gentle-people: No one should run OSX with less than
256 MB of RAM for the simple reason that OSX, all by itself, is using
most of 100 MB. To rephrase a vernacular saying: It is one large
one-generation removed female ancestor! :-)
Bob White*********Secretary & Membership
MacNexus: Sacramento's Macintosh User Group
(916) 363-7115***bobwhite@xxxxxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 17, 2003
From: Edgar Dohmann
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
On Monday, June 16, 2003, Virginia Winn (vewinn100@xxx_com) wrote:
***
> I am presently using a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.2, which I could upgrade
> to OS 10. I am running Reunion 7, which I could upgrade to Reunion 8. I
> have not installed either upgrade because I am considering purchasing a
> PC and would like to know if transferring my Reunion files is going to
> be reasonably easy if I buy Reunion for the PC. I have many generations
> entered and don't want to reenter. The rest of my software I have for
> both platforms so Reunion is my only real concern.
***
Well, there is no Reunion for PCs so that's not an option. If you
switch to PCs (bad idea), you will also have to switch to an inferior
genealogy program. Now why would you even consider both an inferior
platform AND an inferior genealogy program - makes no sense to me.
I recently purchased a new dual 1.25GHz G4 but I also have a G3 with
OS8.6 which I am in process of upgrading to OSX. I'll be glad to share
the results & experiences of my G3 upgrade in a couple of weeks if you
can hold off that long with your final decision.
Edgar Dohmann
------------------------------
Date: June 18, 2003
From: aliciajens
Subject: webpages into a Reunion file? ...
I am hoping someone can help with this...
I had used my old Reunion 7 to publish web pages straight from my main
family file.
I uploaded them to my website using Fetch 3.0.3.
I had a system crash and lost a lot of my stuff, and, though I had
fortunately sent my sister a gedcom, I had not sent it to her recently
enough...the gedcom she sent back to me includes probably only about the
half the information I was beginning to amass...but the website contains
most *all* of it! I have started trying to rebuild starting from the
gedcom my sister had for me, but it is such a slow process trying to go
back through it all...
So, my question is, does anyone know if there is a way to turn the
webpages I'd uploaded to my website **from** Reunion, back into a file
that can be put **back into** Reunion?
I have downloaded again using Fetch, but they are just files and not a
gedcom or anything that Reunion can read, I believe.
I have just recently upgraded to Reunion 8, if this makes a difference...
Is there anyway of doing this?
I'd sure appreciate any suggestions...
All the Best,
Alicia
So Cal
------------------------------
Date: June 18, 2003
From: Alain Farhi
Subject: Slow index opening
A lot of write ups recently about slow index openings. Here what I can add.
My Reunion database contains 52,000 names and the index opens in 3 to 5
seconds. Nothing really slow by any standard. I am using a 4 letter sort.
I do experience occasionally a slow opening. It happens only when I do a
massive import of Gedcom file or after a match and merge that the index is
indeed slow as it need to be re-indexed. Nothing to complain about. I know
it and I expect it.
I have a PowerBook G4 @ 667 MHz, 512 MB RAM.
What I would like to see is the capability of jumping to a particular first
name after selecting the first name. Scrolling my index to look for a first
name within a family is slow because their number.
Alain Farhi
*********************************************
Email : alain@xxxxx_org
Web Site : http://www.farhi.org
*********************************************
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Date: June 18, 2003
From: Kathleen McLaughlin
Subject: Re: List of surname
Try the tiny tafel report under "Create" pull down menu. If you don't want
the dates, simply use a "find and replace" the digits with a space using
the wild card for the digits. At least, this option is available in MS Word.
Kathleen
------------------------------
Date: June 18, 2003
From: Lily Worrall
Subject: Re: Slow index opening
Alain Farhi <alain@xxxxx_org> wrote:
***
> What I would like to see is the capability of jumping to a particular
> given name after selecting the surname. Scrolling my index to look for
> a given name within a family is slow because of their number.
***
YES! Oh yes please! I'll vote for that. I was thrilled when I
discovered I could open the index, type a surname, and have it arrive
on screen as I typed - but "hunting" for a given name within my main
Surname is too slow and tedious! A zippy program like REUNION can
surely do better! - Lily, Cornwall ON
------------------------------
Date: June 18, 2003
From: DBlish5118
Subject: webpages into a Reunion file? ...
Alicia
I have a granddaughter named Alicia. Ah, I think that somebodys is going
to have to do some typing. The family tree program has the data in a
relationship format, and therefore can create related web pages, etc.
However, a web page has its own fomatting strucyure, which has no means to
change itself back to a familytree database, as far as I know.
You are going to have to re-enter the data. Having worked with Reunion,
the major problem that I see is thay Reunion will allow you to enter the
same thing over and over again. If you have 100 people releted to George
Smith, you are liable to enter 100 George Smiths, which is NOT what you
want. Ofcourse, at some point you can do an Index, find duplicate people,
merge them, an go onto the next duplicate.
I started using GENE in 1995, which is sharewere, costs $15, works great,
is simple to use, has gedcom Import/Export and report capabilities. It fit
my income when I was laid-off and recovering from a near-fatal bicycle
accident. I later purchased Reunion 4 for its capabilities, but found it
deathly s-l-o-w.
Doing an index of 8,000 people would take an hour, every time you selected
Index.
Reunion if 'family oriented', entering stuff on a family card. This is a
problem when there were divorces or seath of spouses, and remarriages.
Each marriage (or marriage equavalent) requires a Family Card.
GENE on the other hand is person oriented, and people's names and vitals
are entered on a Person card. If I had to do a lot of re-entry of lost
information, I would use GENE, do a lot of Copy and Save from web page to
GENE Person cards. Youcould do a gedcom Export of what you have in your
Reunion file, to GENE.
When data entry is complete, I would do an Export from GENE, which could be
Imported to Reunion. Any gedcom between applications isn't 100% clean.
Invariable some event stuff will get transffered to the wrong place, and
you will have to check the content once its in Reunion.
I hope that you understood what I said here, and that I didn't go over your
head. I have a tendanct to be verbose and longwinded. Its the nature of
the beast. I use to work for a computer company, held jobs as a system
manager on moni-computer system in Silico Valley in California. Its a long
story.
I have lots of free time on my hands, have GENE and Reunion, WORD, database
and spreadsheet programs, and have spent the last 8 uears using them all on
my Mac, working on family history projects. I volunteer to assist in the
rebuilding of your database, from web pages to GENE, then to Reunion.
Either yes or no, I would suggest that in the future that you make regular
copies of things like your database. I started using a Mac Quadra 630,
this one is a G3. Both have SCSI (small computer system interface)
connection for peripherials, kike ZIP drives and scanners. I know, its old
stuff nowdats. It would be pussible to put the web pages and databases on a
ZIP while working on.
Whan I was a System Manager, we did regular system backups every day. The
concept was:
Backup your stuff on Monday and store it. (we were using reel-to-reel
tapes)
Backup your stuff on Tuesday on a second set of tapes.
Backup your stuff on Wednesday on a third set of tapes.
Backup your stuff on Thursday on the first set of tapes.
Rotare the sets, so that you always have 2 sets of backups, and use the
oldest set for the next backup Should something catistrophic happen, you
know, like an earthquake or fire like we had in California, you at least
have everything on tape as of the day before. In the business world, you
quire often keep the tapes off-sits,
This is a bit of overkill, but you should do the same kind of thing with
diskettes or something. Do a backup, stuck it in a lockbox or something.
If at work, do a backup to diskette, and take it home, if the company will
let you. Keep a backup offsite, in another office, whatever you are
comfortable with.
So much for the lecture. If I can assist with the web page to datanase
task, let me know.
David Blish
------------------------------
Date: June 18, 2003
From: Allan Atherton
Subject: Re: Switching from MAC to PC
Edgar Dohmann <edohmann@xxxxxxxxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> ... I also have a G3 with OS8.6 which I am in process of upgrading to
> OSX. I'll be glad to share the results & experiences of my G3 upgrade...
***
I upgraded my flat beige G3 to OSX in January 2002 and ran with it for
almost a year, up through installing Jaguar in August 2002. The upgrade
included a new processor, more VRAM, a lot more RAM, and a much bigger hard
drive. It was tricky to do, and there were several inherent problems. It
made sense for me to do this in January of 2002, but I don't think it would
make sense now.
Allan Atherton
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Tom Robinson
Subject: Re: 1901 Census prints
> Has anyone been able to print out 1901 census data via your Macs? If
> so, were there any particular requirements?
I only download the scanned pages rather than the transcriptions. I always
do this by downloading the image rather than using the Java applet: when
you click on the image link you're taken to the page with the actual census
reference on it; down the bottom of this page is an option to download the
file to your computer.
After it's downloaded I use GraphicConverter to trim the boarders and
occasionally print it. It's a TIFF file, so most programs can read it,
including AppleWorks.
Cheers
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Craig Petrie
Subject: Switched from PC to MAC - But...
Hi,
I switched from PC to Mac last Nov to use iMovie/iDVD/iPhoto for the
big set of family photos/movies/audio items that I have built up over
time and want to use these with Reunion. There is a big transition
world-wide to digital cameras and digital video-cameras and it makes
sense with growing numbers of multimedia-savvy users to be able to
better reference the many multimedia items in Reunion.
I find that with many events in a persons life the current multimedia
menu gets very crowded and the many items listed in a multimedia window
appear unstructured. It has become difficult to find the items you are
looking for with regard to a particular event for that person.
The feature that I would love to have added to Reunion is to add
multimedia items to an individual event. I am committed to the Mac but
would love very much to see this feature built into Reunion.
cheers,
Craig Petrie
I use Reunion 8.0.3 on an iMac 800mHz 17" with OSX 10.2.6.
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Lawrence Hrusovsky
Subject: Set path to my family file
Why can't Reunion remember where my family file is located. Why must I each
and every time select the path to where my family file resides. Is there a
preference for setting this path, if so, I can't seem to find it.
Larry Hrusovsky
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Set path to my family file
Hi Larry,
Reunion always looks in the Reunion application folder for your
family file, as you've seen. At present, there is no way to change
this.
Since you want to keep your family file elsewhere, you could access
it by directly opening your family file (by double-clicking on it),
rather than opening Reunion 8 first. If you're using OS X, you could
put your family file in the Dock for easy access.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Richard Leonard
Subject: more indexing stuffs
i usually refrain from this because I know I do fringe stuffs but,
last Thursday before going home (4pm PST or so) on the 12th - I started
an import of a BIG file..
twin G4-500 box 1GB RAM
OSX 10.2.6
Reunion 8.0.3
the file purports to have 785,000+ people with 280,000+ families
1 week or so of CONSTANT running -
it is about halfway done with "Linking"
even when I get control of the machine again - - the first time I open
the index it still has to do the secondary indexing...
<sigh>
my "nermal" file has 170,000 or so people... it can take over an hour
to "re-index"
I just imported 22 people from a GEDCOM and after the import, the
re-index took about 45 minutes, and then when I went to the index page
- it took another 30 or so to bring the list up...
is this what y'all mean by slow?
*************************************************
* Richard M. Leonard
* Technology Resource Coordinator,
* College of Letters, Arts, and Social Sciences
* California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
* Work : 909-869-4501 Fax : 909-869-4858
* rmleonard@xxxxxxxxx_edu
*************************************************
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Date: June 19, 2003
From: Earl Burrowes, Sr.
Subject: Marking Flag(s)
How do I MARK a specific FLAG category so that I can carry out specific
functions (exporting, etc) on these individuals. I assume this should be
fairly easy for Reunion (v8.03 with OSX 10.2.6) but I can't find anything
in the manual that would help. Can anyone on the list provide some help?
Thanks
Earl Burrowes
<earl.burrowes@xxxxxxx_net>
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Matt Simerson
Subject: Re: webpages into a Reunion file?
DBlish5118@xxx_com wrote:
***
> Alicia
>
> Ah, I think that somebodys is going to have to do some typing. The
> family tree program has the data in a relationship format, and therefore
> can create related web pages, etc. However, a web page has its own
> fomatting strucyure, which has no means to change itself back to a
> familytree database, as far as I know. So much for the lecture. If I
> can assist with the web page to datanase task, let me know.
***
OK, pardon me for missing the first portion of this thread, but how
many pages are we talking about here? If it's more than a handful, or
a few handfuls, hand typing them all in sounds like the least desirable
way to go about this. Since the software can export to HTML this really
isn't very difficult. Perl has modules available for parsing HTML files.
I did a quick search and there's a Perl module called "Perl GEDCOM"
which allows you to manipulate GEDCOM files with Perl. So, find
yourself a decent Perl programmer (I could write it but it would be at
least a couple months before I could start) and they could whip you up
something in day or two (depending on their familiarity with HTML &
GEDCOM).
If this is something worthy of considering, email me privately and if I
can't get to it (likely) I can hook you up with someone who can do the
job.
Matt
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: LoisBrownCombs
Subject: Re: Set path to my family file
Lawrence Hrusovsky <lhrusovsky@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> Why can't Reunion remember where my family file is located. Why must I
> each and every time select the path to where my family file resides? Is
> there a preference for setting this path, if so, I can't seem to find it.
***
I solved this by setting up one of the function keys with my family file.
Now selecting that key immediately opens my family file. I use OS 9.1 and
assigning files to function keys is done under control
panels>keyboard>function keys.
I use half the function keys with assigned files for my most often used
apps.
L Combs
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Mitch Aunger
Subject: Re: Switched from PC to MAC - But...
Craig Petrie <petrie.family@xxxx_co.nz> wrote:
> I switched from PC to Mac last Nov to use iMovie/iDVD/iPhoto for the
> big set of family photos/movies/audio items that I have built up over
> time and want to use these with Reunion. There is a big transition
> world-wide to digital cameras and digital video-cameras and it makes
> sense with growing numbers of multimedia-savvy users to be able to
> better reference the many multimedia items in Reunion.
>
> I find that with many events in a persons life the current multimedia
> menu gets very crowded and the many items listed in a multimedia window
> appear unstructured. It has become difficult to find the items you are
> looking for with regard to a particular event for that person.
>
> The feature that I would love to have added to Reunion is to add
> multimedia items to an individual event. I am committed to the Mac but
> would love very much to see this feature built into Reunion.
>
> cheers,
> Craig Petrie
> I use Reunion 8.0.3 on an iMac 800mHz 17" with OSX 10.2.6.
Craig, am I glad you spoke up.
I've been away from doing family stuff for a couple of years and just
upgraded from Reunion 6 to 8.
Couldn't agree with you more. In fact I was just thinking the other day
how nice it would be to be able to add HYPERLINKS to my text notes just
like Reunion does in its own help files. I'm a web developer and have
become so attached to using links inside my web pages that it only
seems natural to want to point to other files and even places on the
web. It is nice to have the media pages... but hyperlinks to other
information embedded in the notes etc would be a great addition.
Keep up the good work.. Reunion is the best
Mitch
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Frank Mitchell
Subject: Re: more indexing stuffs
Richard Leonard <rmleonard@xxxxxxxxx_edu> said
> last Thursday before going home (4pm PST or so) on the 12th - I started
>
> the file purports to have 785,000+ people with 280,000+ families
>
> 1 week or so of CONSTANT running -
>
> it is about halfway done with "Linking"
Good grief! I hope you are going to check the file afterwards to make
sure it was imported correctly 8^)
> my "nermal" file has 170,000 or so people... it can take over an hour
> to "re-index"
And I thought I had a large family file with 11,000 individuals.
For curiosity I just reindexed and it took 9 seconds. I know its not as
simple as this but, scaling 9 secs up in proportion, your file should
take a little over 2 minutes.
Dual G4-867
RAM 768 MB
OSX 10.2.6
Reunion 8.0.3
Frank Mitchell, Scottsdale, Arizona
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: kuraliaz
Subject: Re: Reindexing
Richard,
Actually, that's not what we were referring to when we were discussing
the slow index, but the length of time to rebuild the index of a large
family is painful. Just when you think it's done, it starts the second
step. Thank goodness we can play solitaire while it's cranking, huh.
It is reassuring to me that others with large family files (over 100,000
people) are also dealing with slowness. I've tried all sorts of
suggestions, so if someone else comes up with a working answer please
post it here. In the mean time, when I need to access the index a lot, I
will be working in OS 9 where I get instant response when I select
Command I.
Paula
------------------------------
Date: June 19, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Improper sorting/finding
Mike, or whoever...
Once again I am having trouble with Reunions somewhat unique method of
finding and sorting things. To keep things specific, I'll looking for a
man named Eli. I have several and I need one specific person. So... cmd-f
and I'm in find. Enter "Eli" and hit return (click on find). Reunion
starts returning every Elizabeth, Elisha, Elijah, Elishiba, Elias,
Elice... and whoever all, hundreds of them. So, being smart, I eliminate
them all by typing: Eli_ (where the underscore is a space). End of
problem, only "Eli" will be returned now......... NOT! I'm still
confronted with a long list of Elizabeth, Elisha, Elijah, Elishiba,
Elias, Elice... and whoever all's ... absolutely none of which have a
space following the "Eli". Reunion, in all its superior wisdom, ignores
the space as having no meaning. So, is Deberry then the same name as De
Berry? I think NOT. Why can I not search for exact strings? Why do I have
to look at hundreds and hundreds of names to sort out a unique name. Eli.
He is a person. That was his name. None of the Elice's are related to
him, why should I have to eliminate them?
And why, oh why is the find window still Modal? I thought we were going
to change all Modal windows to Modeless. PLEASE!!!
Yes, there are other pathways to find Eli, and I used them... but I
shouldn't have had to waste the time and effort!
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Gedcom Export
SueLynn Sandifer <suelynn@xxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> When you export a file from Reunion 8, do you use Gedcom 4.0 or Gedcom
> 5.5 and if you are going to PAF do you use Ancestral file???
***
Ancestral file should probably be used if the file will be imported
by PAF 2.x on a Mac. Use of Gedcom 4.0 or 5.5 depends on the age of
the program which will be importing the file (very old programs may
not support Gedcom 5.5).
Search the Reunion 8 manual for "gedcom destination" and click on the
second result for more details.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Martin Warburton
Subject: Re: Set path to my family file
> Re: Set path to my family file
I've solved this problem with a shortcut (alias). I put my family file
into a folder in the 'Documents' section of my hard disk. That way, it
gets backed up regularly. In the Finder I then created an alias and put
that back into the Reunion folder. It works fine. I have my Reunion icon
in the Dock, pressing that opens the Reunion file. One right-arrow and my
Family File is selected; Enter opens it.
Martin Warburton
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Edgar Dohmann
Subject: Re: Slow index opening
A few more data points on indexing speed:
My database has about 45,000 records. On a G3/266 running the latest
OSX Jaguar, it takes 1 sec for the index window to appear and another 3
seconds for the index list to appear. This is pretty consistent, even
when I have enough applications open so the OS has to do some swapping,
I have 240MB of RAM and a 40GB/7200RPM HD on this machine. This is
probably about the minimum configuration that one should even think
about for running OSX -- workable, but not fun!
At the other end, I have a dual 1.25GHz G4 with 768MB of RAM &
80GB/7200RPM HD. The index window pops up instantly & the list appears
in approx 1/2 sec. An index rebuild takes about 2 minutes and the list
appears in another 15-20 seconds. Nice!!!
Apple has optimized Jaguar to take good advantage of dual processors,
even if applications aren't written for "threading". In the case of the
index rebuild, the 2 processors share the processing load quite nicely.
I use a freeware utility called "Cee Pee You" which shows processor
loading in the menu bar - it's quite handy.
IMHO - OSX seems to be designed for a G4/1GHz benchmark platform.
Anything better will give great results, anything less may be somewhat
disappointing. CPU-intensive applications are best served by dual
processor systems. Hardware advances and corresponding software bloat
being what they are, these conditions will only get worse with new
releases of OSX. Moral - get the biggest, baddest machine that you can
possibly afford.
Edgar Dohmann
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Rowland & Wilma Carson
Subject: backups [was: webpages into a Reunion file? ...]
At 14:14 -0700 on 18-06-03, ReunionTalk Digest wrote:
>From: aliciajens@xxxxxxxxx_net
>Subject: webpages into a Reunion file? ...
>I had a system crash and lost a lot of my stuff
Alicia - what you should be able to say after the above is: "so I
went to my most recent backup and restored almost everything without
fuss".
Sorry, I can't help with your immediate problem, but I hope to use
your sad experience to remind everyone that sooner or later you will
regret it if you don't backup! Discs go down, computers (laptops
especially) get stolen, lost or destroyed by fire, flood or split
coffee-cups. Keep a copy (or 3) of your most precious data,
preferably in separate locations, and keep the backups current.
However, here is a cautionary tale about backups! Having just
switched from a 7100/66 running OS 8.6 to a 1GhZ PB with OS X, I find
that the previous convenient method I used is no longer possible.
The 7100 was not left running all the time, but had I set it up to
turn itself on early every morning (before I was awake to need it),
and had a Retrospect script scheduled to run shortly after the
machine was ready for business. After doing the backup, Retrospect
quit and shut the Mac down. All I had to do before stopping work each
night was to ensure that the appropriate CD-RW disc was in the drive
ready for the morning. As backups grew, from time to time I'd find
the machine waiting for a new disc instead of shut down. I had 3 sets
of discs - Mon/Thu, Tue/Fri, Wed/Sat. On Sundays I did an archive
backup to CD-R every fortnight and recycled one of the CD-RW sets
every other Sunday (thus they each got wiped and re-started every 6
weeks, usually just around the time a fourth disc would be needed in
the backup set).
With the new machine, the first obstacle is that there seems to be no
way to get it to turn itself on at a scheduled time - perhaps someone
can correct me if there's some hidden way to do it. OK, I can live
with that and turn the machine on manually. But the worst thing is
that Retrospect won't work with the internal SuperDrive. When I
bought the PB (& a brand-new copy of Retrospect as there seemed to be
no upgrade path from my previous version) a few months ago,
Retrospect wasn't working with the SuperDrive, but Dantz (publishers
of Retrospect) said there'd be a driver update on their website
sometime soon. Eventually that was published, but installing it gave
only intermittently correct operation. A lot of to-and-fro between
the local AppleCentre, Dantz Support, and AppleCare resulted in a
"sorry nobdy can help you" situation. Apparently Dantz have written
drivers for the SuperDrive now shipping with 15" PBs, and although
it's the same UJ-815 model as installed in mine, it has different
firmware (DOCB compared with my D0C4). I live in England, and I'm
currently trying to see if the nearest Pansonic/Matsushita facility
in Holland can upgrade the firmware for me - assuming I can get the
drive out of the PB in one piece!
I'm getting by with making backups to an external HD, and using Toast
to burn copies of selected stuff at intervals, but compared to my
previous setup, it's easy to forget and go several days without
backing up. I don't want to buy an external drive as the whole point
of the PB was to have it as self-contained as possible for travel
use. I should explain that I'm not really paranoid about my genealogy
data, but I am the membership secretary of an international club and
have much personal and credit-card data stored in a big FileMaker
system. (Talk to me off-list about my love of FMP!)
If the moderator permits this posting, I apologise for going
off-topic again. But I hope it might help someone to take better care
of their data - if we all backed up religiously, posts like Alicia's
would never arise! And again, commiserations to Alicia. One
possibility is to take the crashed disc to one of those data recovery
places - you might be surprised at how much they could recover
(although the prices might make your eyes water).
regards
Rowland
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@xxxxx_net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Gay Castle
Subject: GEDCOM Export
Is there a way to export log files when making a GEDCOM file? I
imported a GEDCOM file into a new Reunion family file and discovered I
had lost the log files. Is there a place the log files are stored so
that they can be retrieved and added to a new family file?
Gay Castle
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: S. B. Mason
Subject: source citations
Is there any way that more than 2 source citations can be shown at once
on a family card? I'm referring to the listing at the bottom of each
page (events/facts/etc.). I have ample room on these pages to increase
the number shown to 4 (or more). I find the scrolling device difficult
to use due to its small size. I can also never be sure I've seen all
the listed sources since it seems to jump. I often want to know if I've
already listed a particular source for an item. All I can find is the
option to show them or not. I've searched the manual and the online
database with no success. I'm using Reunion 8.03.
Sara
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Multimedia hyperlinks (was: Switched from PC to MAC)
Mitch Aunger <maunger@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> ...I was just thinking the other day how nice it would be to be able to
> add HYPERLINKS to my text notes just like Reunion does in its own help
> files. I'm a web developer and have become so attached to using links
> inside my web pages that it only seems natural to want to point to other
> files and even places on the web. It is nice to have the media pages...
> but hyperlinks to other information embedded in the notes etc would be a
> great addition.
***
I agree in principle, but on the other hand, a few technical
questions would need to be answered before this would be a blessing
and not a curse. Namely, how do you keep links from becoming
"broken"? We've all experienced "404 file not found" errors while
cruising the web, and most of us have clicked on an alias only to
learn that the link to the original is broken. Just a few nights ago,
I made an alias of a digital picture, then changed the name of the
file, and found that the alias didn't work any more. Simple (and
reasonable) user actions like this shouldn't break links. Hyperlinks
within a Reunion file would be very cool; think of all the pictures,
texts of wills, etc., that pertain to more than one person. And
hyperlinks within a file could be robust (though probably a royal
pain to program) since Reunion is in control of the whole file. But
how do you propose Reunion would keep track of folders of "other
stuff" which might be moved, deleted, or whatever, from within the
Finder?
One challenge is that to implement this idea well, the underlying
organizing principles of Reunion might have to change fundamentally
(with the programming headaches pertaining thereto). Reunion is
organized around the individual, and the "family". In the stone age,
there was a hugely popular and powerful (PC) program called Roots III
(and IV and V, I think). While we'd consider it Jurassic compared to
Reunion, it had the very cool idea of organizing facts around
"events", rather than individuals. So, for instance, a birth event
would link a child's name, a birth date, and presumably one or more
parents. But you could also haul in the godparents, the pediatrician,
etc.
So is Reunion coming up against the limits of its "paradigm" yet?
I'm not sure, since I haven't braved the whole multimedia thing yet.
But I would hope adding things like hyperlinks would be carefully
thought out. Because I'd hate to have to spend all my time
maintaining delicate links, rather than doing genealogy.
Ted
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Mitch Aunger
Subject: Re: set path to my family file
Lawrence Hrusovsky <lhrusovsky@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> Why can't Reunion remember where my family file is located. Why must I
> each and every time select the path to where my family file resides? Is
> there a preference for setting this path, if so, I can't seem to find it.
***
The simple solution is to open the family file instead of Reunion!
I put an icon in my doc in OS X of the family file - not reunion. Same
works in OS 9 if you are using the launcher or you can just put an
alias for your family file on the desktop.
That way, you don't have to bother with setting a preference or
navigating to your family file.
HTH
Mitch
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: aliciajens
Subject: Re: webpages into a Reunion file? ...and backing up!
Thank you all for your replies, David, Matt and Rowland!
I appreciate all your thoughts - and Yes! I *should have* known better,
having used to work as a graphic artist for a large commercial
silkscreen company where we backed up regularly...
AND, as warning to others also, I am using G4 iMac that is only about a
year old...
if you have to take your brand new car back to the dealer for problems
(which I have before) why wouldn't you have to on a new computer (which
is probably even more touchy than the car just because of its very nature)?!
Anyway, my file that I now have in Reunion consists of 700 people (and
there has been few I've added that I did not have before)...my webpages
have person sheets for about 1300 people. So, yes, it would be an awful
lot of typing back in! One reason it is not done yet!
What I never thought of about backing up so terribly religiously is that
I knew I had my webpages as a backup. But, why I didn't realize that I
could not just load them back into Reunion is beyond me! I do think
that now at the very least, I will send my sister a Gedcom once a week -
or any time I do a lot of input in a day. I am lucky enough to be a
stay at home mom, so I do go out to work where I could keep an
additional back up...but, of course, I can keep a couple disks in an
easily accessible place...
[David wrote, in part:]
> Ah, I think that somebodys is going to have to do some typing.
Thanks for your offer to help typing! What a wonderful gesture! I
think I will just have to set aside a specific hour or so every day and
get it done...unless...
[Matt wrote, in part:]
> how many pages are we talking about here? If it's more than a handful,
> or a few handfuls, hand typing them all in sounds like the least
> desirable way to go about this. Since the software can export to HTML
> this really isn't very difficult. Perl has modules available for parsing
> HTML files.
This is very intersting, Matt...I thought someone might know of a way.
Unfortunately, I know very little about computers when things go wrong
with them, and mostly only know how to get around the web and use the
progams I use. What I am trying to say is, I am not even sure what Perl is!
[Rowland wrote, in part:]
> And again, commiserations to Alicia. One possibility is to take the
> crashed disc to one of those data recovery places - you might be
> surprised at how much they could recover (although the prices might make
> your eyes water).
And thanks for this thought, Rowland. When the computer crashed,
however, I could not get it to re-boot at all. I called AppleCare,
which sent me to Fry's. I told them that if they could save anything
that I had all my genealogy on it and would like it pulled off. Well,
they called me and told me that they got it to start up (after 5 hours
of working on it), and told me that there was absolutely nothing in it
and wanted to know how I got all my stuff out of it when they couldn't
even get it to turn on!
I am sending you all notes individually, but wanted to post to the List,
too.
Thank you!
Alicia
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Matt Simerson
Subject: Re: webpages into a Reunion file? ...and backing up!
Alicia Jensen wrote:
>> [Matt wrote, in part:]
>>
>> how many pages are we talking about here? If it's more than a
>> handful, or a few handfuls, hand typing them all in sounds like the
>> least desirable way to go about this. Since the software can export
>> to HTML this really isn't very difficult. Perl has modules available
>> for parsing HTML files.
>
> This is very intersting, Matt...I thought someone might know of a way.
> Unfortunately, I know very little about computers when things go wrong
> with them, and mostly only know how to get around the web and use the
> programs I use. What I am trying to say is, I am not even sure what
> Perl is!
Perl is a programming language, that's designed just for doing stuff
like this. To do this, you would have to provide the HTML files to a
programmer who could then extract the data from the files and format it
into a GEDCOM that you could import into reunion. Depending on how much
you value your time, this avenue might not be cost effective. It would
take a good programmer around 8 hours to write this and that'll equate
to around $600. I might be able to find a "hungry" programmer to take
it for a little less but that's the general ball park.
>> [Rowland wrote, in part:]
>>
>> And again, commiserations to Alicia. One possibility is to take the
>> crashed disc to one of those data recovery places - you might be
>> surprised at how much they could recover (although the prices might
>> make your eyes water).
>
> And thanks for this thought, Rowland. When the computer crashed,
> however, I could not get it to re-boot at all. I called AppleCare,
> which sent me to Fry's. I told them that if they could save anything
> that I had all my genealogy on it and would like it pulled off. Well,
> they called me and told me that they got it to start up (after 5 hours
> of working on it), and told me that there was absolutely nothing in it
> and wanted to know how I got all my stuff out of it when they couldn't
> even get it to turn on!
Actually, I think that's a bit different than what Rowland was
suggesting. Rowland was suggesting a specialized outfit like Ontrack
(http://www.ontrack.com/) that offer disk recovery services. They can
pull stuff off drives that have been deleted, driven over, smashed with
hammers, and other assorted abuses. They can work small miracles but
they too come at a price. I wouldn't expect them to be much (if any)
less expensive than having a programmer extract the data from HTML
pages. Also, there's no guarantee they can recover the data but unless
the Fry techs did something destructive, I'd say it's very likely they
can recover it.
Matt
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Brian Ferguson
Subject: backups and Disk Warrior
Greetings
In Message #11 ReunionTalk Digest 6/20/03, Rowland & Wilma Carson
<rowil@xxxxx_net> replied to the Subject: backups [was: webpages into a
Reunion file? ...]
>>From: aliciajens@xxxxxxxxx_net
>>Subject: webpages into a Reunion file? ...
>>
>>I had a system crash and lost a lot of my stuff
>
>Alicia - what you should be able to say after the above is: "so I
>went to my most recent backup and restored almost everything without
>fuss".
>
>Sorry, I can't help with your immediate problem, but I hope to use
>your sad experience to remind everyone that sooner or later you will
>regret it if you don't backup!
snipped
>If the moderator permits this posting, I apologise for going
>off-topic again. But I hope it might help someone to take better care
>of their data - if we all backed up religiously, posts like Alicia's
>would never arise! And again, commiserations to Alicia. One
>possibility is to take the crashed disc to one of those data recovery
>places - you might be surprised at how much they could recover
>(although the prices might make your eyes water).
>
>regards
>Rowland
Since Alicia's system crash caused her *to lose a lot of her stuff*, I
wonder if this included data outside her Reunion files? If so then more
than a backup of Reunion files is involved.
If the loss was extensive, then may I suggest that she looks at purchasing
Disk Warrior 3.0 which has just been released for at least Systems X and 9,
before sending the hard drive to a recovery company. See reviews of Disk
Warrior at <http://www.alsoft.com>
Information which makes up a file is not located on a hard drive in a
continuous string. The data is spread almost everywhere and in all sorts of
order. Thus when you enter, say, data for your Reunion file for 21 related
persons on a Saturday, and then add 12 more relatives on Tuesday, the
chances of all the information being together is extremely unlikely. On a
Mac there are *Directory Files* which track all the pieces. If a crash
somehow destroys the directory information for this file, you have *lost a
lot of stuff*. But it isn't lost; it is merely mislayed.
I'm a five-year user of Disk Warrior and have found that it's ability to
recover *lost* files is amazing. In the vast majority of cases, the loss of
files does not mean that they are trashed and erased. What happens is that,
for some reason and more than likely a System crash, files can lose a small
amount of directory data which is required for the System to locate where
these files are distributed all over the hard drive. Disk Warrior looks at
all the pieces of files and, then it creates a new directory for the hard
drive. Thus all the bits of the file can be accessed and the *lost* data is
now found. OK, that's being simplistic but I can recall many friends who
have totally recovered seriously *damaged* to their hard drives.
After you have repaired the directory system, you may find that some data
is missing from a found file but that loss is much more acceptable than
losing all the files on a hard drive.
Sorry if this is too Off Topic, but this is a Help group after all is
considered. I'm not suggesting that you don't have a backup; that is an
essential.
---------------------------------------
Best Wishes from Brian Ferguson
---------------------------------------
Mac OS X 10.2.6 - Nisus Email X 1.6.1 - NW Express
Reunion 8.0.3
---------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: June 20, 2003
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Improper sorting/finding
The inestimable STEVE wrote:
>Once again I am having trouble with Reunions somewhat unique method of
>finding and sorting things. To keep things specific, I'll looking for a
>man named Eli. I have several and I need one specific person.
OK, I agree that there's room for improvement, and you acknowledge
that "there are other pathways to find Eli". For instance, giving
Reunion more information such as that you're looking for a male, and
you probably know his last name.
>Enter "Eli" and hit return (click on find). Reunion
>starts returning every Elizabeth, Elisha, Elijah, Elishiba, Elias,
>Elice... So, being smart, I eliminate
>them all by typing: Eli_ (where the underscore is a space). End of
>problem, only "Eli" will be returned now......... NOT!... Reunion,
>in all its superior wisdom, ignores the space as having no meaning.
On the other hand, you almost certainly didn't enter your original
Eli as Eli<space>. I have a few quibbles with Reunion's design, but
I'd cut it some slack. The only solution that pops to mind here is to
have a check-box next to each name in the Find dialog, with something
like "use exact spelling".
>So, is Deberry then the same name as De
>Berry? I think NOT. Why can I not search for exact strings? Why do I have
>to look at hundreds and hundreds of names to sort out a unique name. Eli.
>He is a person. That was his name. None of the Elice's are related to
>him, why should I have to eliminate them?
I agree: The computer should make it easy for us; that's its job. On
the other hand, I'm eternally grateful that LeisterPro *didn't* set
it up where one had to remember whether the wildcard character is *
or #, whether the wildcard pertained to single or multiple
characters, etc. That would be a step in the wrong wonky direction.
One shouldn't have to be inducted into an occult club of magic words
and jargon in order to use the computer.
I like LeisterPro's decision to make the Find function "sloppy": If
I'm looking for Bartholomew Schmeideknecht, I can just type bart
<tab> Schm <return> and run a good chance of finding my man without
spraining my fingers. On the other hand, I am not trying to sort
through 100,000 people, as some here are.
>And why, oh why is the find window still Modal? I thought we were going
>to change all Modal windows to Modeless. PLEASE!!!
Here, here. Apple's guidelines have urged programmers to avoid modal
windows (ones in which the user has to click a button and dismiss the
dialog before proceeding) since, what?, 1984. I like to think there
was some insurmountable reason the LeisterFolk made that choice, that
it was a conscious decision. It may be that a modeless Find window
causes some mischief or ambiguity for the user. But at the moment I
can't think of any examples.
I'd like to get into a wish list about things like fully
implementing drag-and-drop (waiting since version 6 or so), but I
think this is long enough, that's another topic.
Ted
------------------------------
Date: June 21, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Marking Flag(s)
"Earl Burrowes, Sr." <earl.burrowes@xxxxxxx_net> wrote:
***
> How do I MARK a specific FLAG category so that I can carry out specific
> functions (exporting, etc) on these individuals. I assume this should be
> fairly easy for Reunion (v8.03 with OSX 10.2.6) but I can't find anything
> in the manual that would help. Can anyone on the list provide some help?
***
Earl,
Use the Find Anything dialog to search for people. Under "Criteria",
select "Flags", where you'll see a list of the Flags you have
defined. Select the one you want and the other field will become a
selector for Yes/No. Let it find all those people and you're halfway
home. if you want to perform actions on these individuals, simply
select the appropriate item on the "Mark" popup at the lower left of
the search results window to mark them. Now you can do any of the
numerous things that Reunion offers against the marked set of
individuals. By the way, this isn't new to Reunion 8, it's just been
improving since earlier versions.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 21, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Set path to my family file
L Combs <LoisBrownCombs@xxx_com> wrote:
>Lawrence Hrusovsky <lhrusovsky@xxx_com> wrote:
>
>***
>> Why can't Reunion remember where my family file is located. Why must I
>> each and every time select the path to where my family file resides? Is
>> there a preference for setting this path, if so, I can't seem to find it.
>***
>
>I solved this by setting up one of the function keys with my family file.
>Now selecting that key immediately opens my family file. I use OS 9.1 and
>assigning files to function keys is done under control
>panels>keyboard>function keys.
> I use half the function keys with assigned files for my most often used
>apps.
It's important to note that not all systems will support this
feature. I saw mention on numerous newsgroups of this capability
while my primary machine was still my beige G3/266 -- and mine can't
do this. So this option isn't available on all systems running OS 9.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 21, 2003
From: martha
Subject: Re: Improper sorting/finding
I certainly agree with Steve and his problem of searching for Eli
which brings up 1000 other names instead of just plain Eli. I have
very similar problems which waste an inordinate amount of time. Let's
say I am searching for the simple family name of LEV. So I enter it
and what do I get? LEVINSOHN, LEVINSON, LEVENSON, LEVENSOHN,
LEVINBERG, LEVINSTEIN, LEV-ZION and on and on. LEV (tout court) is
not the first name that comes up. Shouldn't it be? Why should it be
perhaps the 100th to pop up? Shouldn't the first found name be the
ones with the exact spelling that we are searching for?
Martha
------------------------------
Date: June 21, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Improper sorting/finding
Steven Byars <stevebyars@xxxxxxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> Once again I am having trouble with Reunions somewhat unique method of
> finding and sorting things. To keep things specific, I'll looking for a
> man named Eli. I have several and I need one specific person. So...
> cmd-f and I'm in find. Enter "Eli" and hit return (click on find).
> Reunion starts returning every Elizabeth, Elisha, Elijah, Elishiba,
> Elias, Elice... and whoever all, hundreds of them. So, being smart, I
> eliminate them all by typing: Eli_ (where the underscore is a space).
> End of problem, only "Eli" will be returned now......... NOT! I'm still
> confronted with a long list of Elizabeth, Elisha, Elijah, Elishiba,
> Elias, Elice... and whoever all's ... absolutely none of which have a
> space following the "Eli". Reunion, in all its superior wisdom, ignores
> the space as having no meaning. So, is Deberry then the same name as De
> Berry? I think NOT. Why can I not search for exact strings? Why do I
> have to look at hundreds and hundreds of names to sort out a unique
> name. Eli. He is a person. That was his name. None of the Elice's are
> related to him, why should I have to eliminate them?
>
> And why, oh why is the find window still Modal? I thought we were going
> to change all Modal windows to Modeless. PLEASE!!!
>
> Yes, there are other pathways to find Eli, and I used them... but I
> shouldn't have had to waste the time and effort!
***
Steve,
I've been writing software for 22 years. And in things like this,
I've learned that, 99 out of 100 times, the "space" at the end of
your search string (or its beginning) was erroneously left in, not
intentionally. So what's typically done is what's known as
"trimming." That is, removing extra spaces at the beginning or end
of the entered data. The one between two significant characters, as
in your "De Berry" example, is completely different.
Having said that, I understand your desire to be able to do this kind
of search, as I sometimes want to do something similar. I suggest an
enhancement to Reunion that might, for example, allow us to place
wild cards in search fields. I know that the developers at Leister
are familiar with "regular expressions", in which the meta character
"*" (asterisk) is taken to mean "zero or more". I think it would be
excellent to be able to search for "Eli *" and have it taken to mean
"find Eli followed by a space and zero or more additional
characters". Such a search capability would be a super addition to
Reunion.
About those modal vs modeless windows... In many windows, I too
would like to see them be modeless. But I can't envision how the
Find Anything window could become modeless. At some point, it needs
to stand aside so that I can see the window containing the results of
the search.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 22, 2003
From: jimlow
Subject: Same sex marriage
A close female relative has been in an open same-sex relationship for some
years which is accepted by most, but not all, members of the family. I
have avoided setting up a family group sheet for the couple, although
created an unrelated person sheet for the partner of the relative, and make
a "private" comment on both about the relationship. Both have previously
been married to men (now divorced), with children, which is shown.
The couple live in Ontario where a recent Superior Court ruled the
definition of marriage limited to between one man and one woman was
unconstitutional and ordered the definition changed to "between two
persons." The Canadian Constitution specifically forbids discrimination on
the basis of sexual orientation. The federal government has decided not to
appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court and will rewrite the law. In the
meantime, same-sex marriage is legal and MUST be registered (civil) in
Ontario.
The couple have decided to get married.
Fortunately, Reunion allows creation of same-sex family group sheets
(forward thinking by the author!). But this leads to a question:
traditionally the family group sheets show the male on the left side, with
the female on the right side. When I created the same-sex group sheet, how
did the program decide to place one female on one side and the other on the
other side? Is there a way to change it?
This leads to another question unrelated to same-sex marriage: sometimes I
think I would prefer the RELATED person to always be on the left side, and
the one who married into the family to be on the right side -- regardless
of the sex. Is there a way to do this? I know -- this breaks the
traditional way of doing things, but our family has never been traditional,
anyway!
Jim Low
jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 22, 2003
From: FINN1928
Subject: Restore Command
Somehow or other, I accidently created a Restore File on my desktop. I was
not asked to name the "restored file".
What is the purpose of "Restore"? Do I have my entire genealogy on my
desktop as of the Restore Date? I have a copy of my last backup on my
desktop and I assume I accidently clicked or double clicked the backup up
icon. In other words, I probably have two sets on my desktop plus the
"real" Reunion files that I use.
Is it safe to drag this to the trash. (it's on my desktop)?
Thank you for any and all help. Joan
------------------------------
Date: June 22, 2003
From: lpertelt
Subject: Input needed for new laptop
My old powerbook just bit the dust and I'm told it may run over $300 to
repair. Wonder if I might as well put the money into a new laptop. My
question is what is the best deal for not a lot of money. I am looking at
an IBook
IBook (700MHz PowerPC G3, 128MB, 20GB, 24X CD-ROM,
Mac OS X, 12.1'' TFT)
Price $879
My desktop is a Power PC G4 running OS 10.1.5. My main use for the laptop
will be e-mail when traveling and of course REUNION when I go to the
genealogy library/historical museums.
Also I added extra memory to my old laptop. Is it possible to remove that
and add it to the new one after I get it? (As you can see I am not the
most technologically advanced person. But do well enough to have used
Reunion since version 4!)
I would appreciate feedback from those of you using newer laptops as I want
to make sure I will be able to use it to the best advantage when doing
research
Thanks
Loraine Ertelt
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: John D. Steffens
Subject: Going backwards
This probably sounds like a stupid thing to ask but---
Is it possible to create a family file in Reunion 7, but save it as a
Reunion 5 file?
My mother-in-law has Reunion 5, but I have my files in Reunion 7 and
I want to give her a set she can use. (I have Reunion 8.3 but it is
not operational yet. And she doesn't want to invest in a newer
program.)
Is there a way out of this?
Thanks for your input and patience.
John Steffens
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: cnoland
Subject: GEDCOM export from PC
I just bought Reunion 8 and want to export "my family info" from
Family Tree Maker on my old Windows computer. I have started the
process but want to know what destination to specify. The choices
are; PAF, FTW, Roots, Temple Ready, or Anstifile. On some of these
choices, I also have the option of "indent records" and "abbreviate
tags". Which should I choose, The character set, I assume, is
"Macintosh."
Thanks for any help that you can give me.
June Noland
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: Mabry Benson
Subject: Finding Eli
You may not like this solution, but you can bring up the index and
have it sort by first name, and then your eli's will be all in one
place, and you can thus mark them, and then Tab thru the marked ones.
Actually I find that Find Anything Cmd A is more flexible than Find
Person Cmd F. Find Anything at least brings up a list of the
results, in which you can then Mark the relevant ones, whereas Find
Person just lets you cycle thru a name/namesubset.
Good luck
Mabry Benson.
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: Gary McMillian
Subject: GEDCOM 5.5 CONC & CONT
I've learned "the hard way" that some genealogy programs interpret the
GEDCOM 5.5 standard differently regarding the use of the CONC statement. I
am writing this note to warn others of my mistake, and to request that the
fine folks at Leister do something to help the situation.
The concatenation (CONC) statement is used within notes to concatenate note
fields. The idea is to "concatenate" multiple text fields together to form
a paragraph in a single note. The continue (CONT) statement is similar,
but it assumes (inserts?) a carriage return (or line feed?) at the end of
the text field.
One vendor (FTM) has interpreted the CONC statement to imply that a space
should be inserted between the contents of each CONC statement. Even
though the standard, and common sense, would indicate that to "concatenate"
two text fields together does not mean "insert space here."
FTM always breaks long sentences between words, and makes the reasonable
assumption that there is always a space between words. By assuming that
there is always a space between words, and automatically inserting a space
between the contents of two CONC statements, FTM can save one ASCII
character of storage for every CONC statement in a GEDCOM file. Never mind
that this makes the GEDCOM file incompatible with the standard...
Reunion on the other hand has interpreted the GEDCOM 5.5 standard to
require that all sentences must be broken in the middle of words. Although
some words, like "I" and "a" are kind of difficult to always break in the
middle. (I disagree with their interpretation of the specification, that
they MUST break words in the middle, and wish they would break the sentence
between words to make the ASCII GEDCOM file readable! And let concatenate
mean concatenate.)
A solution has been proposed to use GEDCOM 4.4 for file exchange with
programs such as FTM, because GEDCOM 4.4 only defines a CONT statement and
doesn't define a CONC statement. However, this will result in carriage
returns (or line feeds?) being inserted in the middle of paragraphs and
ruining the nice paragraph format when outputting notes in Word documents.
It would be very nice to have a check box when exporting or importing a
GEDCOM 5.5 file to enable the user to select the way in which CONC is
interpreted. As someone who has written 'C' code before, this is a
"no-brainer."
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this!
And, if anyone has a clever way to remove spurious spaces inserted in the
middle of words, due to exchanging GEDCOM 5.5 between Reunion and FTM,
please let me know!
I've tried to contact FTM about this issue, but the only means of
communications seems to be to call and pay them $2 per minute to report
problems with their software.
Gary McMillian
garymcmillian@xxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Same sex marriage
"Jim Low" jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com wrote:
> A close female relative has been in an open same-sex relationship for
> some years which is accepted by most, but not all, members of the
> family. I have avoided setting up a family group sheet for the couple,
> although created an unrelated person sheet for the partner of the
> relative, and make a "private" comment on both about the relationship.
> Both have previously been married to men (now divorced), with children,
> which is shown.
This is certainly a delicate situation. I applaud your desire to
reflect the relationship accurately (while minimizing the ruckus that
would result from the disapproving family members). I can't offer a
solution that's better than the one you describe, short of keeping
two files, which sounds unwieldy. Too bad the genealogist's job is
made more difficult by family disapproval, etc., but I guess this
won't be the first case, or LeisterPro wouldn't have included the
{private} features. At least we can take satisfaction of hiding
secrets in plain sight :-).
> The couple live in Ontario where a recent Superior Court ruled the
> definition of marriage limited to between one man and one woman was
> unconstitutional... The couple have decided to get married.
Yes, I'm interested to see how this plays out south of the border,
given the US's current political climate. Depending on how the couple
decide to announce it to the family, this may also resolve how you
present them within Reunion.
> Fortunately, Reunion allows creation of same-sex family group sheets
> (forward thinking by the author!). But this leads to a question:
> traditionally the family group sheets show the male on the left side,
> with the female on the right side. When I created the same-sex group
> sheet, how did the program decide to place one female on one side and
> the other on the other side? Is there a way to change it?
I haven't yet been confronted with this puzzle, so I don't know. But
I suspect if you experiment by entering the "right hand" female
first, then the "left hand" female, Reunion MIGHT continue to display
them as desired. On the other hand, it might evaluate their positions
differently each time. It would be extremely awkward if you had to
set -for computing reasons- which partner was "butch" and which was
"fem" :-/.
> This leads to another question unrelated to same-sex marriage:
> sometimes I think I would prefer the RELATED person to always be on the
> left side, and the one who married into the family to be on the right
> side -- regardless of the sex. Is there a way to do this? I know --
> this breaks the traditional way of doing things, but our family has
> never been traditional, anyway!
I wish I knew of a way to do this, too. Tradition or not, it's a
bother to visit a mixed set of siblings and have to keep hopping from
one side to the other to pull down the Sibling menu.
By including the possibility of same-sex couples, Reunion has made
an admirable start. But there are some vestigial "gender
inequalities". Like you, I'd like to have some options for orienting
the couple, either by relation, as you suggest, or by context (e.g.,
I've been going through a batch of sisters' family windows, keep the
brothers on the right hand side). I suspect that the motivation for
Reunion's current operation is a combination of "tradition" and,
coincidentally, easing the programmer's job: Any time Reunion doesn't
need to consult a preference setting to make a decision, it's easier
(and faster) for it to just plow along. But it would be nice to have
the option (or options); reports and charts present people in order
of relation, why not the family window? It may be that if you asked
10,000 Reunion users what they wanted, you'd get 10,005 answers. But
that's no reason not to ask the question in the first place.
Ted
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: Ray Bowler
Subject: Re: Input needed for new laptop
***
> My old powerbook just bit the dust and I'm told it may run over $300 to
> repair. Wonder if I might as well put the money into a new laptop. My
> question is what is the best deal for not a lot of money. I am looking
> at
> an IBook
> IBook (700MHz PowerPC G3, 128MB, 20GB, 24X CD-ROM,
> Mac OS X, 12.1'' TFT)
> Price $879
***
My wife's iBook is a 600 MHz and a 14" LCD Screen. I did max the
memory out to 640 Mg. She is happy with it and it does what you would
want very well. That price looks good to me. I doubt that the memory
in your powerbook would work but you might be lucky.
Best wishes.
Ray Bowler
iBook OS 10.2.6
14" LCD
20MG HD 640 M Ram.
------------------------------
Date: June 23, 2003
From: Patrick Forbes
Subject: Re: Input needed for new laptop
Loraine wrote:
> My old powerbook just bit the dust and I'm told it may run over $300 to
> repair. Wonder if I might as well put the money into a new laptop.
> My question is what is the best deal for not a lot of money. I am
> looking at an IBook
> IBook (700MHz PowerPC G3, 128MB, 20GB, 24X CD-ROM,
> Mac OS X, 12.1'' TFT)
> Price $879
You didn't describe your PowerBook. What's to become of it depends on
it's vintage. $300 may not be all that much. I currently have a PB G3
292 (eBay 3 years ago) doing 9 & 10 that needs a hinge, jack cover door
and a latch repair ($75 when I get a roundtoit) and it's a great pal to
my iMac G4 running both as well.
Patrick Forbes
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: set path to my family file
Mitch Aunger <maunger@xxx_com> sayeth:
>Lawrence Hrusovsky <lhrusovsky@xxx_com> wrote:
>
>***
>> Why can't Reunion remember where my family file is located. Why must I
>> each and every time select the path to where my family file resides? Is
>> there a preference for setting this path, if so, I can't seem to find it.
>***
>
>The simple solution is to open the family file instead of Reunion!
....
Mitch has the ultimate answer. I have seven Reunion icons on my desktop,
each leading to a different file and project. My (sys9) Mac has no
problem finding the program or the family file using this method, no
matter how I move things from place to place. One thing though, I keep
ALL multimedia files in the same folder so they can be accessed by any
family file.
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: H553JohnT
Subject: Reunion 8 Index Window
Hi all,
I am so upset at having to resize an index, or found, or source, or
relative window, almost everytime I open it. Default size is usually what I
see.
In Reunion 7, if I open an index window and resize it, then close it, then
open it again its the same size.
In Reunion 8 chances are it won't be. Do you have a nifty way to always
keep it the size you have resized it to?? If not, then I probably will go
back to Reunion 7.
John
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Reunion 8 Index Window
Hi John,
Make sure you have Reunion 8.03, the latest version of Reunion 8. If
you don't, you should download and install the 8.03 maintenance
update. It is available here...
http://www.LeisterPro.com/doc/Version8/Updatev8.html
We fixed some problems with windows holding their size in one of the
maintenance updates.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Peter Cook
Subject: Re: Improper sorting/finding
I have rejoined this list after departing way back when R4W went to
Sierra. Reason being I bought an iBook to use on a recent trip to the
UK, so now that I'm home again, it is interesting to see that this
topic still appears.
Steve said he used CMD F to open Fast Find, then ran into problems
with the results. Fast Find was and still is a subset of Find Anything
[CMD A]. Further, as far as I can see, in Reunion 8.03, Fast Find
still works on the same basis as in Reunion 4, that is it uses the
Find Anything parameter "Starts With".
However, Steve, if you entered just Eli, and want Eli and only Eli,
then Reunion can give you only Eli, it's just that you are going to
have to do a little more work, that is, use Find Anything. You will
get the result you want, and probably a lot more quickly than
repeatedly clicking on the find button as the possible "Starts with"
matches cycle through all the other hits on Eliza's, Elizabeth's etc
...
CMD A
Use the People tab
Select from Names - 'First and Mid name' then the parameter 'Is' and
enter Eli
If necessary, turn off (untick) any "AND" or "OR" lines from previous
usage
Find
If you have a lot of Eli's then rather than scroll through the list
of results, use the AND function with a new line
'Last name' 'Is' Whatever
Either way, highlight your Eli and Go
FWIW, with a main family file of around 4K people, and five Surname
research files of around 7 to 10K people, I nearly always use Find
Anything in preference to Fast Find, although I mostly use the
variation 'Last Name' 'Starts with' and the first three or four
letters of the last name.
regards, Peter
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Christopher K. Philippo
Subject: AppleWorks US Federal Census forms?
Was wondering if anybody has blank US Federal Census forms as
AppleWorks Documents or Databases?
thanks,
Christopher K. Philippo
Troy, New York
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Earl Burrowes, Sr.
Subject: Re: Marking Flag(s)
> Use the Find Anything dialog to search for people. Under "Criteria",
> select "Flags", where you'll see a list of the Flags you have
> defined. Select the one you want and the other field will become a
> selector for Yes/No. Let it find all those people and you're halfway
> home.
Special thanks to Steve (Jackson) and Arnold (Palmer) for their help in
working thorough my 'over sight'. The directions worked like a charm.
Earl (Burrowes)
Philadelphia, PA
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Paul S. Boyer
Subject: Same-sex pairings
Same-Sex Marriage and Genealogy
This is a hot subject! I will try to restrain myself, and will avoid
going into any analysis of the philosophy behind this topic. I won't
even insult the idiots on the courts of Canada, who brought this on;
nor will I examine the unprincipled, cowardly response of the current
regime in Canada. I'll set all that aside, and seek to remind us of
just what genealogy is.
Genealogy is a record of descent. That means traditionally: "blood
descent," which is really genetic descent. Other relationships are
secondary to the purpose of genealogy, even though those relationships
may be very important to individual lives. For example, many of us
have unrelated friends who may be more important to us than certain of
our relatives. Some relatives we may not even like all that much!
Nevertheless, our focus is on blood-relationship. That means that
genealogy is not everything, in spite of our occasionally obsessive
pursuit of ancestors and cousins. Genealogy is not all, but it is an
important and distinctive part of our life-stories.
Reunion distinguishes between adopted and blood descendants. That is a
recognition of reality. The biological facts of origin are what lies
behind genealogy, and are what makes genealogical findings of growing
significance for a future in which genetics will likely play an
increasing role in medical investigation and practice. Similarly, we
chart child-producing unions which were "illegitimate," or contrary to
the mores of time and place. The important genealogical focus is that
individuals have a biological origin, no matter what their society may
approve or disapprove.
Therefore the worry as to which side of a Reunion card is for which
member of a same-sex couple should be irrelevant. A same-sex couple
cannot produce a child. They can arrange to have a child by artificial
insemination, or by adoption. At best, only one member of a same-sex
couple can be related to each of "their" children. The blood
relationship of the child is what is the true focus of genealogy, and
one of the sad facts of certain modern practices of child acquisition
is that the origins of the child are all too frequently concealed.
Precious data are lost. Worse yet, there may be a cultivated pretense,
which is essentially an untruth.
As genealogists, we should be pursuers of historical truth. When a
court decides from specious reasoning of "rights" that marriage is
something which it has never been, that may change the thinking of a
culture, or of a segment of a country's culture; but it will not change
biology. Many cultures have had interesting folk-beliefs and practices
regarding sex and parentage. Some have traced descent from Olympian
gods, or (in more recent times) from extraterrestrial aliens. Some of
these beliefs seem truly bizarre from a scientific viewpoint; but
beliefs, even the superstitions of a high court, do not change
biological reality.
Let us keep as clear as possible the data bearing on the biological
story of descent. The rest of the story should also be recorded: in
memoirs, notes, or other forms; but it should never be confused with
genealogy, the data of descent.
Paul S. Boyer
[writing from Nova Scotia]
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Melanie Crain
Subject: Importing FTM
I've been sitting on a question for a long time, and I hope someone can
help. I frequently get family files with the extension: .FTW which I
assume is generated by Family Tree Maker. I can never open those
supposed-gedcoms into Reunion (I'm using OS X, 10.2.6 and Reunion v.8).
Does anyone know what the file format of .FTW is? Or how to open such
a file? Even MacLink is clueless.
Thanks,
Melanie Crain
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Patrick Murphy
Subject: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Hello,
I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I was
telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help him
organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion, but
that the records could not be used at his church since they come from a
Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know if
what he says is true. Is there a way to use the records from Reunion on a
Mac with PC files?
Patrick
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: AppleWorks US Federal Census forms?
"Christopher K. Philippo" <cphilipp@xxxxx_rr.com> wrote:
> Was wondering if anybody has blank US Federal Census forms as
> AppleWorks Documents or Databases?
I have some for 1900, 1910 and 1920 that I made back in 2000, but no
others. The newer version of AppleWorks may well be able to open
some in Excel format if you can find them (which is fairly common at
some sites). If you'd like the ones I have, contact me directly and
I'll stuff them up and send them to you.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Gay Castle
Subject: Transferring Log by GEDCOM
Does anyone know how I can export my log entrees into a GEDCOM file to
be imported by Reunion 8?
Gay Castle
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Bill Williams
Subject: Re: GEDCOM 5.5 CONC & CONT
In Digest 6/24/03, the person identified as Gary McMillian
<garymcmillian@xxxxxx_net> hunted and pecked out the following:
> And, if anyone has a clever way to remove spurious spaces inserted in
> the middle of words, due to exchanging GEDCOM 5.5 between Reunion and
> FTM, please let me know!
How about opening the file in a text editor that will maintain the text
format (Tex-Edit?) and do a Find/Replace, Finding on 2 (or 3, or
whatever) spaces and Replacing with a single space?
Selah!
Bwms
bwms@xxxxxxxxx_net
wwilliams.che57@xxxxxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Gary McMillian
Subject: Re: GEDCOM 5.5 CONC & CONT
Bill Williams <bwms@xxxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
> In Digest 6/24/03, the person identified as Gary McMillian
> <garymcmillian@xxxxxx_net> hunted and pecked out the following:
>
> > And, if anyone has a clever way to remove spurious spaces inserted in
> > the middle of words, due to exchanging GEDCOM 5.5 between Reunion and
> > FTM, please let me know!
>
> How about opening the file in a text editor that will maintain the text
> format (Tex-Edit?) and do a Find/Replace, Finding on 2 (or 3, or
> whatever) spaces and Replacing with a single space?
My garbled notes now have single spaces in the middle of words. They are
indistinguishable from the single spaces between words, except they are now
surrounded by (possibly) two misspelled words!
I've though about searching for adjacent misspelled words, and removing the
space between them to see if the combined word is spelled correctly... but I
don't know how to do so.
Thanks,
Gary
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: GEDCOM 5.5 CONC & CONT
Gary McMillian <garymcmillian@xxxxxx_net> sayeth:
***
> And, if anyone has a clever way to remove spurious spaces inserted in
> the middle of words, due to exchanging GEDCOM 5.5 between Reunion and
> FTM, please let me know!
***
Find: <space><space>
Replace: <space>
Find all....
:-) STEVE
Likewise, sameso for added returns:
Find: <return><return>
Replace: <@@@> (or some other set of symbols you NEVER use.)
Find all.
Find: <return>
Replace: <space>
Find all.
Find: <space><space>
Replace: <space>
Find all.
Find: <@@@>
Replace: <return>
Find all.
Shazam!
:) STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: Improper sorting/finding
"Peter Cook" <cookfmly@xxxxxxx_com> sayeth:
>I have rejoined this list after departing way back when R4W went to
>Sierra. Reason being I bought an iBook to use on a recent trip to the
>UK, so now that I'm home again, it is interesting to see that this
>topic still appears.
>
>Steve said he used CMD F to open Fast Find, then ran into problems
>with the results. Fast Find was and still is a subset of Find Anything
>[CMD A]. Further, as far as I can see, in Reunion 8.03, Fast Find
>still works on the same basis as in Reunion 4, that is it uses the
>Find Anything parameter "Starts With".
>
>However, Steve, if you entered just Eli, and want Eli and only Eli,
>then Reunion can give you only Eli, it's just that you are going to
>have to do a little more work, that is, use Find Anything. You will
>get the result you want, and probably a lot more quickly than
>repeatedly clicking on the find button as the possible "Starts with"
>matches cycle through all the other hits on Eliza's, Elizabeth's etc
>...
>
>CMD A
>Use the People tab
>Select from Names - 'First and Mid name' then the parameter 'Is' and
>enter Eli
>If necessary, turn off (untick) any "AND" or "OR" lines from previous
>usage
>Find
>
>If you have a lot of Eli's then rather than scroll through the list
>of results, use the AND function with a new line
>'Last name' 'Is' Whatever
>
>Either way, highlight your Eli and Go
>
>FWIW, with a main family file of around 4K people, and five Surname
>research files of around 7 to 10K people, I nearly always use Find
>Anything in preference to Fast Find, although I mostly use the
>variation 'Last Name' 'Starts with' and the first three or four
>letters of the last name.
All well and good, Peter, and all known to me... but why not just accept
Eli<space> as the search criteria so that I can cycle through all three
of my Eli's without taking up ten minutes of my research time clicking on
windows and typing out commands that should have been understood in the
first place? If I had wanted to see my Elizabeth's, I'd probably have
typed in "Eliz" and paged through the results.
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: bobdee
Subject: Re: Same sex marriage
"Jim Low" jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com wrote in part
> When I created the same-sex group
> sheet, how did the program decide to place one female on one side and
> the other on the other side? Is there a way to change it?
If both persons are female now, change the sex of the one you want to be on
the left to "male". She will shift over. Then change her back to female. She
will stay because female side is already taken.
Bob
Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@xxxxxxxxx_com
www.westportmarina.com
Ancestors of Bob and Dee:
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: Same-sex pairings
"Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@xxxxxxxx_net> wrote:
> Subject: Same-sex pairings
... much cut...
> Let us keep as clear as possible the data bearing on the biological
> story of descent. The rest of the story should also be recorded: in
> memoirs, notes, or other forms; but it should never be confused with
> genealogy, the data of descent.
>
> Paul S. Boyer
> [writing from Nova Scotia]
And that is your choice, and a seemingly valid one. My choice is to not
restrice the study of the descent/creation/becoming of my family to known
biological events. Step-parents, adoptive parents, guardians, caretakers;
none are part of the biological descent, and yet they ARE family, they
are responsible for the person we are tracing they are part and parcel of
what my family is. I choose to record them all, including my Godson. We
are currently being confronted with clones and the artifical combining of
DNA, gametes, RNA, and other biological manipulations. I have no
difficulty beleiveing that cousin Sam and his partner, George will soon
be able to have their genetic material combined to produce their very own
child. We genealogists had darn well be ready for these events and have a
method of recording them, clearly, cleanly, and concisely. That's our job.
As for "pure genealogy", that's as pure a myth as is possible. Why? Well,
Jewish wisdom has the gist of it... Jewishness, the descent of the Jewish
race --- IS TRACED BY THE FEMALE LINE. Why? It's simple, you most always
know who the mother of a child is, or was. The father, however, is purely
a matter of conjecture, guesswork and supposition. Casual bastardy is
much more common than almost anyone. So much for our nice, neat
descandant charts, and so much for the idea that genealogy records only
biological descent!
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 24, 2003
From: DBlish5118
Subject: solutuin of converting web pages to gedcom
This is in response to earlier discussions. There is a way to get from a
set of Reunion web pages, to gedcom. AppleWorks can extract the data from
a web page.
1. Started AppleWorks, and selected Wordprocessing. 2. At the pulldown
menu, select File -> Insert, and select HTML from the menu.
3. Selected a folder and a web page
You will now have the text of the web page, with NO HTML code. This would
have to be done for every web page: select File -> Insert, select HTML,
select the web page.
This will create a text file, with the data that would be in a Family Group
sheet.
The GENE familytree program uses what looks like a plain text file. GENE
is shareware, needs NO system installation, costs $15. The names of people
could be entered into the in 'Person Cards'.
The easiest way that I can think of to do this is:
1. Start WORD, and enter all of the names into a text file. 2. Change the
file to double-spaced sentances/paragraphs. The code for that is:
Select the Change function, or Command-H
Enter '^p' to '^pPerson: ' There is a space after the :, and do
not enter the '.
What this will look like is:
Person: Fred Jones
Person: Susie Smith
The paragraph begins with Person: , and the lines are double
spaced.
3. Save the file as 'Text Only'
4. Start GENE, and select the text file.
You will then have a familytree database, which you can save, and continue
to work on. At this point, there are no vital entered, and no
relationships to anyone or locations. It probably beats retyping all the
stuff that was list in your Reunion file.
The GENE database will be east to enter the vitals, easy to find the
people, because you can display the list or Persons and select from that.
You can also Merge people, or places with GENE. Don't forget to do a Save
As, because GENE do NOT do a continuous Save, like Reunion does.
You could then do a GEDCOM from GENE, and Import to Reunion. You will have
to do some merges in Reunion, but you will have all your data.
One thing that GENE does is require unique names for all entries. It would
create something like the following:
John Smith, John Smith (2), John Smith (3)
This is NOT a grandfather-father-son relationship, just duplicate names.
Also, GENE allows titles to be at the end of a name. Example:
John Smith, Sr.; John Smith, Jr.; John Smith, Capt.
The titles would have to be moved in Reunion.
This could be done with AppleWorks and not use WORD. However, the 'Person:
' entries and double-space lines would have to be done by hand.
The earlier message was about the loss of 600 people in the database. The
wordprocessing task in WORD would be a piece of cake, one command. That
could be done on a Mac or PC, by a friend or at the library, etc. The web
pages show the links, so that could be used as a reference.
Reunion is a great program, and I have been using version 4. I started
using GENE in 1995 following a near-fatal bicycle accident, a month in the
hospital, and being out of work for a year. 'Shareware' and $15 fit my
budget at the time.
There may be other solutions to the web page to Reunion problem.
David Blish
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Geoff
Subject: Connecting the dots
My family file has really increased in entry number (I have somehow
accumulated 50,398 entries) and I have been sharing some of my
information which has produced some challenges in organization and how
I present my data.
I am making marked sets, however, it seems to require a bit of practice
to mark groups at a time.
If I wanted to "connect the dots" between me and my 10G Grandparents
and only show that line that connects us, what is the best method so I
can create a report or chart and email the information (or use to post
as a GEDCOM)?
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Ted and Freda Noble
Subject: Set Path to my family file by Steven Byars??
Steven, would you please explain how you make use of seven Reunion
icons. I have always thought I could find a better way to have my
Reunion files set up. Just now I have one for my husband's families
and one for mine. Is it easier to have family histories broken into
even smaller units?
And, I am just getting ready to learn how to create multimedia files.
What do you mean by your last statement: "all multimedia files in the
same folder so they can be accessed by any family file." I think I
read that all multimedia files have to be stored in the Reunion
folder. The only time I tried to put a photo into a file, it
disappeared when I turned off Reunion? (:)) I think others will
benefit from your instruction. Thank you. Freda
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Don Eby
Subject: Charting
I'm trying to get ready for a family reunion and am having a problem
getting the size of chart I'd like. My issues are with the Relative
chart and probably focus on features requested unless their are methods
I'm missing.
1. It would be nice if the relative chart allowed selecting a source
Family instead of an individual. I'd like to see ancestors of both my
grandparents on this relative chart - not just the one selected as
source. After all, genealogy is a Family thing.
2. An alternative to the above problem I used was to create a Relative
chart for my grandfather and a pedigree chart for my grandmother. That
sort of worked but the only way I found to "merge" the two is paste a
picture of my grandmothers chart onto my grandfathers relative chart.
Unfortunately that "picture" no longer acts like a chart as far as
formatting, avoiding page breaks. And of course I missed my
grandmothers siblings when creating her chart in the first place. Looks
like a good place for additional features. In the mean time, does
anyone have any suggestions.
3. Last but not least, when Relative charts are done top to bottom,
they don't allow the of "waterfall" for the bottom generations. Right
now I've got a fifteen foot wide chart that's only 24 inches high. I
don't understand why waterfall can not be added as a feature for the
relative chart as long as the waterfall stays below the source person's
generation.
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Frank Mitchell
Subject: Re: Connecting the dots
Geoff <photoshupe@xxxxxxxxx_net> asked
***
> If I wanted to "connect the dots" between me and my 10G Grandparents and
> only show that line that connects us, what is the best method so I can
> create a report or chart and email the information (or use to post as a
> GEDCOM)?
***
I've done this frequently.
Go to your own family page and select Find>Mark Groups
Check the button "Mark Ancestors of You" and check the three boxes at the
bottom.
Go to your 10G grandparents family card and then Create>Descendant
report. Enter the requisite number of descendants and check the box
"Marked Descendants only" (and any of the other boxes you want).
Clicking Open will then provide you with your report in your word processor.
If you go to a cousin's family page and also mark his/her ancestors
before you create the report. You can then go to your common ancestor and
create a descendant report showing how you connect to your cousin.
Frank Mitchell, Scottsdale, Arizona
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: CampbellFH
Subject: Ages
How can I eliminate ages while keeping marriage and death dates in a
register report?
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: RogerKIWI
Subject: Re: Reunion 8 Index Window
In a message dated 6/25/03 9:21:34 AM, ReunionTalk@xxxxxxxxxx_com writes:
> Make sure you have Reunion 8.03, the latest version of Reunion 8. If
> you don't, you should download and install the 8.03 maintenance
> update. It is available here...
>
> http://www.LeisterPro.com/doc/Version8/Updatev8.html
>
> We fixed some problems with windows holding their size in one of the
> maintenance updates.
I have 8.03, but still see these problems that I reported some time ago -
and if anything it seems to be getting worse possibly - it's now nearly
every time that the window goes back to default for Index, Edit Person etc.
And it doesn't seem to matter if Reunion is left running but hidden, or
quit and restarted - the small window can appear at any time it seems :-((
Roger <-------- just checking in from holiday down under in Kiwiland.
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Importing FTM
Melanie Crain <HCRAIN@xx_rr.com> wrote:
***
> I've been sitting on a question for a long time, and I hope someone can
> help. I frequently get family files with the extension: .FTW which I
> assume is generated by Family Tree Maker. I can never open those
> supposed-gedcoms into Reunion (I'm using OS X, 10.2.6 and Reunion v.8).
>
> Does anyone know what the file format of .FTW is? Or how to open such a
> file? Even MacLink is clueless.
***
Melanie,
Files with the ".ftw" extension are to Family Tree Maker as your
"family file" is to Reunion. It's in the format that only FTM knows
how to read and write. MacLinkPlus can not read those files, and
they are not GEDCOM files. GEDCOM files are actually just text files
whose contents are created according to an established standard
(though a recent thread here attests to the fact that interpretations
of that standard may vary).
To open that ".ftw" file, you'll need to get access to a copy of
Family Tree Maker. Since you are apparently receiving them from
others, tell them to stop assuming that everyone uses FTM (it's
rapidly losing following in the Windows world, by the way, for a
number of reasons) and send you a GEDCOM file.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Brian Walker
Subject: Re: Importing FTM
Melanie Crain <HCRAIN@xx_rr.com> wrote:
***
> I've been sitting on a question for a long time, and I hope someone can
> help. I frequently get family files with the extension: .FTW which I
> assume is generated by Family Tree Maker. I can never open those
> supposed-gedcoms into Reunion (I'm using OS X, 10.2.6 and Reunion v.8).
>
> Does anyone know what the file format of .FTW is? Or how to open such a
> file? Even MacLink is clueless.
***
Melanie,
There's a handy web site to determine the purpose of file extensions. It
is:
http://filext.com/
The first of two results returned when I queried about ftw indicated that
it is a Family Tree Maker Family Tree File.
As for opening it with Reunion - that is best left to someone more
experienced in that department than myself. My guess would be that you
need to go back to the source for a gedcom format file.
Regards,
Brian
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Larry
Subject: Importing FTM
***
> I've been sitting on a question for a long time, and I hope someone can
> help. I frequently get family files with the extension: .FTW which I
> assume is generated by Family Tree Maker. I can never open those
> supposed-gedcoms into Reunion (I'm using OS X, 10.2.6 and Reunion v.8).
>
> Does anyone know what the file format of .FTW is? Or how to open such a
> file? Even MacLink is clueless.
***
At the risk of sounding like a cranky old coot (I am, plus it's the first
90 plus degree day of the year and my A/C isn't working...), the clueless
part here are the users of Family Tree Maker.
They in particular follow the drone-like behavior of the Windows side. Now
that I have vented, let me explain: they don't know what a GEDCOM is, and
like many users of both PC and Mac, should have the difference between SAVE
and SAVE AS (or EXPORT) explained. I get these .FTW (Family Tree Maker for
Windows, or .FBK backup files) regularly. I politely write back and tell
them how to choose the export a GEDCOM choice from their menus, and that
their FTW files are NOT a standard way of sending files - that it is
proprietary, rather like Word (or Appleworks, to be fair) files being sent
instead of RTF or straight text files.
Send them back an email explaining that they should look in their help
files for info on how to export a GEDCOM and that then you can import that
GEDCOM into a Reunion file. It's really simple - they just need to take
the step to choose the correct export choice and not just mail the basic
file.
For what it's worth, FTM probably has the largest share of Windows
genealogy users - and as it is the most basic and very cheap, probably will
remain that way. And our local computer genealogy group with the Reunion
wielding Mac users reports research success for the greatest part, while
those poor souls take up or meeting time with their FTM problems. Sigh.
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
> family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I
> was telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help
> him organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion,
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
>
> I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know
> if what he says is true. Is there a way to use the records from Reunion
> on a Mac with PC files?
***
Patrick,
Your friend is under a mistaken impression. It's not about platform,
it's about data format. His church also can't use files created in a
number of common genealogy programs on the PC, unless they are
exported into a supported format.
There is one program available for the Mac directly from their web
site at <http://www.familysearch.org/>, called Personal Ancestral
File (PAF). Like so many others, they tend to be PC oriented in what
they offer, and PAF is very dated in its Mac version. There may be
some freeware or shareware products I'm not aware of that are more up
to date. Reunion is still his best bet.
As I said, the main thing is getting his data into a form that the
LDS church can use. Take note of what happens in Reunion when you
have an open family file and select File->Import/Export->Export
GEDCOM. You'll note that it asks the destination, which helps to
determine the exact format of the content. The destinations include
"Temple Ready" and "Ancestral File," in addition to two GEDCOM
standards discussed here recently. So convince him to get Reunion's
free tryout, at the very least, and see what he thinks he can do.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Joyce Conklin
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
***
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
***
That's not totally right -- there are some features used in PAF (Personal
Ancestral File, from the church) that don't translate to Reunion. But he
could try sending you a GEDCOM file, have you make a Reunion file of his
line(s) and show him what it looks like.
As far as using the records from the church, they're in Web format, so
you'd have to copy/paste (at best) or type in the information anyway,
whatever program you're using.
Or you could make a GEDCOM file of your data and see if PAF will import it
properly.
I use Reunion for my data because the last Mac version of PAF is 2.3.1; the
current PC PAF is 5.0.18!!
Joyce Conklin
bkwoman@xxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 25, 2003
From: Paul S. Boyer
Subject: Sam-sex pairings (cont.)
Genealogy as Biological Descent
Steven Byars < stevebyars@xxxxxxxxx_com > writes: "My choice is to not
restrict the study of the descent/creation/becoming of my family to
known biological events. Step-parents, adoptive parents, guardians,
caretakers; none are part of the biological descent, and yet they ARE
family, they are responsible for the person we are tracing they are
part and parcel of what my family is."
Certainly, if you are interested in the history of your family, you
will include all these social factors. Even the definition of a family
goes frequently beyond biology. In slavery days, even slaves were
frequently considered family members, and were called "aunt" and
"uncle."
The study of descent is not myth simply because our knowledge is
occasionally uncertain, or even mistaken. That is true of all
historical studies, and we should not throw up our hands and give up.
We should continue to distinguish between more certain and less certain
knowledge. We strive for better documentation all the time in
genealogy, and the new genetic studies give us a powerful tool for even
greater certainty.
As for the prevalence of "bastardy," the best studies indicate that it
is actually probably not as common as some have made it out to be. The
best study of a single family (of English origin -- and I have
forgotten the name) compared genealogical data with the Y-chromosomes
of male descendants bearing the surname. The results indicated that
deviation from the expected male parentage, including adoptions, was
only about one percent per generation. In that family, the wives were
apparently very nearly perfectly faithful, at least when it came to
conceiving children.
As for the Jewish custom for judging descent, it is often stated, as
Steve says, that "you most always know who the mother of a child is, or
was. The father, however, is purely a matter of conjecture, guesswork
and supposition." That makes sense, but it is not the reason. The
reason is that the early Jews were matrilineal. Other groups have been
patrilineal. It is a cultural choice, how descent is reckoned. In
fact, in the Old Testament, foreign women were frequently taken in a
wives, and their offspring were considered Jewish. There is also the
famous story of Solomon's having to decide by empirical means, which
mother really belonged to a disputed child; which shows that it is even
possible to argue over motherhood.
There are studies of the genetics of Jewish populations, and the
results are fascinating. One study of the surname Cohen, whose bearers
are supposedly descended from a priestly caste, shows a remarkably high
incidence of the same Y-chromosome, indicating over a hundred
generations of rather strict (we could say "chaste") reproductive
behavior.
Perhaps our views of lax reproductive morality are conditioned too much
by modern cases, or by the notoriety of exceptions. The divorce rate
alone suggests that we are in a social state now which is far different
from what prevailed before the 1950s. DNA studies could tell us more
about this matter.
As for the chance of a same-sex couple having a child through genetic
engineering, it is easier to imagine than to do. Our technology is far
from making such a thing possible. It is certainly far, far more
difficult to accomplish, than it will be to record in some form, should
it happen in this century.
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Timothy Lundin
Subject: Re: Charting
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, Don Eby wrote:
***
> I'd like to see ancestors of both my grandparents on this relative
> chart - not just the one selected as source.
***
I think that creating a relative chart using one of the children of
your grandparents as the source would solve your problem. This would
add more than your grandmother's ancestors, but if you wanted to limit
the tree, you could prune it after it was drawn or by marking the
appropriate individuals in the family file and pruning the tree when
it's created.
Tim
http://www.familygraphics.com
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: martha
Subject: splitting the database
From: Ted and Freda Noble <tnoble@xxx_org>
Subject: Set Path to my family file by Steven Byars??
<...>
> Just now I have one for my husband's families and one for mine.
> Is it easier to have family histories broken intoeven smaller units?
I broke up my database into my mother's and my father's ancestors
because it was becoming too unwieldy. That was fine for years. I am
now faced with trying to put them back together because of two major
problems I found: a] if you want to make a pedigree chart, you can
only make one side of the family at a time, instead of having all the
direct ancestors on it.. and b] I have found many cousin marriages
and their ancestries are split between the two databases. What I am
faced with now is a nightmare of trying to merge over 17,000
individuals and still avoid duplicates...
Martha
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: H553JohnT
Subject: Re: Reunion 8 Index Window
> Hi John,
>
> Make sure you have Reunion 8.03, the latest version of Reunion 8. If
> you don't, you should download and install the 8.03 maintenance
> update. It is available here...
Hi Mike,
I'm using 8.03. Still have the resizing problem. I use a 7 field wide index
to see the last name, first name, birth-death, user-id, parents, spouse and
# of children on one row. The last field may be the problem due to it isn't
always the default size - sometimes it is less due to resizing. But I'm only
guessing here.
John
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Warren White
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
> family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I
> was telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help
> him organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion,
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
>
> I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know
> if what he says is true. Is there a way to use the records from Reunion
> on a Mac with PC files?
***
It is true that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a
"PC" committed organization. For example, in order to communicate
with TempleReady, one must create a PC readable disk, which is very
easily done on a Mac, then export a gedcom file within that disk.
Again, very easy to do. With the help of a few members of the Church
and the excellent technical folks at Leister, Reunion is certainly
able to handle the LDS ordinance information and Patrick should have
no hesitation to make the switch.
Warren White
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Bob White
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
> family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I
> was telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help
> him organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion,
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
>
> I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know
> if what he says is true. Is there a way to use the records from Reunion
> on a Mac with PC files?
***
Of course, the records can't be read directly. But the problem also
exists from one genealogy program to another just on the PC side.
That's why his church was a major player in developing the GEDCOM file
transfer format. Export the records from Reunion or any PC genealogy
program and import into any other regardless of which platform (whether
it be Windoze, Mac, Palm OS, whatever).
Bob White*********Secretary & Membership
MacNexus: Sacramento's Macintosh User Group
(916) 363-7115***bobwhite@xxxxxxxx_org
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Andrew Korsak
Subject: Message #4 June 25 2003
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
> family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I
> was telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help
> him organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion,
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
>
> I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know
> if what he says is true. Is there a way to use the records from Reunion
> on a Mac with PC files?
***
Reply from Andrew Korsak <kr6dd@xxxxx_com> <kr6dd@xxxxxxxxx_com>:
Probably many people will be telling you the same thing:
1. Reunion is better than any genealogy SW on a PC.
2. GEDCOM files can transfer all data to a PC simply by selecting the
Windows format.
I have sent GEDCOM files to PC users among the family members. It even
worked in Poland by selecting CE versions of the fonts for Windows.
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Janice Roden
Subject: Font size in Register report (HELP)
When I print a register report it comes into Appleworks as "Times"
font, size 10. My preference setting in appleworks is Times 12.
When I increase the size to 12 of course all the citation reference
superscripts increase to the same size and it looks TERRIBLE.
I am trying to "publish" and this is a real big problem, which I'm sure
someone has the answer to. Would really appreciate any help you all are
willing to give.
Janice in Dallas
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: Bill Williams
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
In Digest 6/26/03, the person identified as Warren
White <warrenwhite@xxxxx_com> hunted and pecked out the following:
> It is true that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a
> "PC" committed organization. For example, in order to communicate with
> TempleReady, one must create a PC readable disk, which is very easily
> done on a Mac, then export a gedcom file within that disk.
Mebbe, mebbe not... nowadays, unless by "PC readable disk" you mean a CD,
it would be impossible in =this= house, even with three Macs (G4, iMac,
clamshell iBook), since none of the three can generate a floppy disk.
Selah!
BWms
bwms@xxx_com
bwms@xxxxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 26, 2003
From: jimlow
Subject: Linking non-relatives
One of the features I use in Reunion is to create cards for people who are
not related (or relationship unknown). I started doing this for
special/close friends and business associates of family members. The
reason is that such people were closely involved in the lives of family
members. I then make reference to them in the notes field, and noted the
Person number, so one could then go to that person for further information.
Sometimes that unrelated person would include a mini-genealogy within a
genealogy. By doing this, I once discovered a cousin of a friend/business
associate of the family married into the family. Also, this linking of
friends and business associates is useful in the study of local history.
One feature I would like included in Reunion (if it IS included, I haven't
discovered it) is the ability to "link" to non-relatives by creating
buttons to click on. I suppose this goes beyond the "standard" genealogy
and more of a general database, but I would find it useful within a
genealogy program.
Jim Low
jimlow@xxxxxxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Mike Horst
Subject: Re: Ages
CampbellFH@xxx_com wrote:
***
> How can I eliminate ages while keeping marriage and death dates in a
> register report?
***
To do this, you'll need to adjust the narrative form for those
events. To do so, choose Options -> Define -> Person Fields. Go to
the Events tab and select Death from the list of events. Then in the
Narrative Form settings, choose an option from the Arrangement pop-up
menu which does not include the age (such as "Name Verb Place
Date."). You can change this for other events you use as well.
When you're done, save the changes, and choose Options -> Define ->
Family Fields. Go to the Marriage tab and select Marriage from the
list provided. Once again, adjust the Arrangement setting for the
Narrative Form to something which doesn't include the age, and save
the change.
Now when you create the Register Report, it will use the Narrative
form you've chosen to display the information.
Mike Horst
Leister Productions, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Venita Roylance
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> He said that he had considered Reunion, but that the records could not
> be used at his church since they come from a Macintosh and the church
> uses PC's.
***
I work as a part-time missionary at the Family History Training Center
located in Provo, Utah, and operated by the LDS Church. We train people
to do family history research using computers all the way from entering
basic information into a data base to preparing names for Temple work.
Of course!, the computers we use are PCs and the family history
software is PAF. I had the same questions about whether or not Temple
Ready could use a gedcom made by Reunion, so I did an experiment. (This
was over a year ago, before Reunion 8 came out, so I used Reunion 7.)
I made gedcoms of the same file three different ways and saved them on
three different disks, Mac formatted and PC formatted.
The problem isn't so much the gedcom as it is the disk it is saved on.
Don't use a Mac formatted disk, or the PC will ignore it. If you don't
have any PC formatted disks, you can probably get one from your nearest
LDS FHC for a nominal cost. Then put that thing in your floppy drive
(do you still have one?) and save your gedcom to it.
In your options for exporting a gedcom, choose "Destination: Gedcom
5.5" and "Gedcom character set: Windows." (I expect "Destination:
Temple Ready" would work, too, but I haven't tried it.) You can fool
those silly PCs that way and they just do their thing!
Since floppy disks are on the way out, most likely the next thing will
be saving to a cd. Whether or not PAF is ready for that I don't know.
That's something the programmers for the Church will have to figure out.
Regarding importing a Reunion gedcom into a PAF file, I've tried that,
too. Again, if you use the generic gedcom 5.5 and Windows characters,
it works, mostly. PAF doesn't understand Reunion's format for sources.
(I like Reunion's better!!) And, if you have facts such as hair color,
height, etc., included, that confuses PAF too. The basic facts import
just fine, including ordinance information when you use Reunion 8.
Ordinance information from Reunion 7 doesn't import as well.
OK, I'll confess. I have PAF 5.?? on my iMac, accessible through
Virtual PC. Since Reunion 8 came out, I almost never us it!!
Hope this helps!
Venita
Homepage:
http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
Patrick Murphy <patrick923@xxx_com> sayeth:
> I have a friend with an iMac, and he spends a lot of time tracing his
> family's history. He is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints. I
> was telling him about Reunion the other day, and about how it might help
> him organize all of his records. He said that he had considered Reunion,
> but that the records could not be used at his church since they come
> from a Macintosh and the church uses PC's.
>
> I have a Macintosh computer and use Reunion every day, but I don't know
> if what he says is true.
The LDS accepts my Macintosh/Reunion GEDCOMs without comment! Your friend
is NOT clear about the LDS, Mac's, software, or the capabilities of the
LDS software folks, you know, the ones who wrote the Mac version of the
LDS software...
> Is there a way to use the records from Reunion on a
> Mac with PC files?
I have no idea what this says...
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Venita Roylance
Subject: Re: splitting the database
Martha <martha@xxxxxxx_bgu.ac.il> wrote:
> From: Ted and Freda Noble <tnoble@xxx_org>
> Subject: Set Path to my family file by Steven Byars??
> <...>
>> Just now I have one for my husband's families and one for mine.
>> Is it easier to have family histories broken intoeven smaller units?
>
> I broke up my database into my mother's and my father's ancestors
> because it was becoming too unwieldy. That was fine for years. I am
> now faced with trying to put them back together because of two major
> problems I found: a] if you want to make a pedigree chart, you can
> only make one side of the family at a time, instead of having all the
> direct ancestors on it.. and b] I have found many cousin marriages
> and their ancestries are split between the two databases. What I am
> faced with now is a nightmare of trying to merge over 17,000
> individuals and still avoid duplicates...
I can see advantages for both a complete database and for smaller ones.
I have a master file while includes everybody, and smaller files as
well. I also have all of my files on two computers, my iMac and my
iBook. (Yes, I'm a true Mac addict.) I carry the laptop with me when I
go to do research then transfer the new information to the desktop.
Depending on how much there is, sometimes I just type it in, and
sometimes I make a small gedcom of just the new information or a
gedcome of a smaller file which I can easily add then match and merge
just those names that are affected. The redundency also provides a
great back up in case of disaster. (Never happen on a Mac!!*o))
The question is, what is the best way to create smaller files? I've
tried two ways, both of which worked for me:
1. Create a new file for each person who occupies the position five
generations back from me - that would be each one of my great
grandparents. That makes 16 smaller files (if there is someone in each
position) each one named for the person who is the first person in that
file.
2. Since each of my ancestral lines emigrated to the US between 1850
and 1890, they neatly fall into five geographical divisions: Wales,
Yorkshire (England), Kent (England), Scotland and Denmark. I've created
five smaller files based on the origin of ancestors and named for the
place. I start each data base with the first couple who are both from
the same place. That would be my grandparents for Wales, and my Great
Great Grandparents for the other countries/counties.
Actually, I find the second option really convenient when I do research.
My ex-husband's information is in a separate file altogether. My
children's files, of course, would be a combination of both of them and
they would have to decide how to best organize them for their purposes.
Hope this helps a bit.
Yours,
Venita
Homepage:
http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: Set Path
Ted and Freda Noble <tnoble@xxx_org> sayeth:
> Steven, would you please explain how you make use of seven Reunion
> icons. I have always thought I could find a better way to have my
> Reunion files set up. Just now I have one for my husband's families
> and one for mine. Is it easier to have family histories broken into
> even smaller units?
In this, I am a lumper, pretty much everything in one monster file. Makes
it easier for me to find links, crosslinks and such...
Here's the files on my desktop:
1) My extended family file (the one I use the most)
2) My immediate family file (a subset of 1 above. seldom used)
3) The Burgess Family file (a family I am trying to prove blood relation
to)
4) The Japanese Imperial line (the BCE dates totally confuse Reunion)
5) The Jackalope Diary (bloodlines of my rabbits)
6) The Borax Bunch (horse bloodlines)
7) Test Set (lets me experiment with odd things safely as all the data is
bogus)
(I also have a folder with other files that I'm either developing or
helping others with)
> And, I am just getting ready to learn how to create multimedia files.
> What do you mean by your last statement: "all multimedia files in the
> same folder so they can be accessed by any family file." I think I read
> that all multimedia files have to be stored in the Reunion folder. The
> only time I tried to put a photo into a file, it disappeared when I
> turned off Reunion? (:)) I think others will benefit from your
> instruction. Thank you. Freda
Well, the story here is that I don't really understand Reunion's approach
to multimedia. That being so, I got myself into much trouble with files
scattered all over the place and every time I moved anything my little
world started falling apart. SO, EVERY multimedia file now exists in just
one folder. That way, they can always be found and every different use of
a picture (or whatever) has just one place to look for the file. I'm
trying to come up with "THE FINAL SOLUTION" for this vexing problem, but
seem to be walking on troubled ground. Right now, my hirearchy looks like:
HD:Files:Genealogy:Programs:Reunion #:Pictures:Byars:Steve#1:Summer1954
Basically, this pretty much sucks, having things burried so deep, and
having to keep everything grouped this way. I have not tried my
multimedia folder with 8 or sys 10 yet, and am dreading the possible
problems. I can only hope that when it comes time to scan and organize
the several thousand pictures I've collected that Reunion will be better
able to hadle the influx. <sigh>
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: GEDCOM 5.5 CONC & CONT
Steven Byars <stevebyars@xxxxxxxxx_com> sayeth:
>Gary McMillian <garymcmillian@xxxxxx_net> sayeth:
>
>***
>> And, if anyone has a clever way to remove spurious spaces inserted in
>> the middle of words, due to exchanging GEDCOM 5.5 between Reunion and
>> FTM, please let me know!
>***
>
>Find: <space><space>
>Replace: <space>
>
>Find all....
>
>:-) STEVE
In retrospect, I think I misread the question here. One would have to
turn on the hidden characters to discover some uniqueness to the entries.
The one I find in spilt words most commonly is <space><return> between
the two word halves. If necessary, use your ASCII code identifier to id
the exact ASCII code of the dividing character. It might look like a
space, but actually have a very different ASCII code, making it easy to
put the words back together. or just copy/paste/replace and see how it
works... you can always undo (and, you're working on a copy anyway ---
aren't you!).
STEVE
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: James Sample
Subject: Same-sex marriage
I hope our non-Canadian Reunion users are not becoming bewildered by the
same-sex 'debate' that is currently happening on ReunionList over recent
changes in Canadian law making it the third country in the world to
recognise same-sex marriages. My criterion is to record ANY relationship
that is apparently of a permanent nature and most certainly to fully record
ALL unions that are recognised by the law of any particular country.
The fact is same-sex marriage is the law in Ontario and de facto law in ALL
of Canada and ALL of our provinces (except Alberta, which will not last much
longer). We as genealogists should record events as they are. We are
certainly entitled to our own ethical opinions but we should not cloud our
goal with those personal beliefs. There was a time not that long ago when
people only whispered about common law marriages and inter-racial
marriages. How many times have we run into stumbling blocks because "we
just don't mention this" attitudes. Most in our western society does not
approve of multiple marriages but in many parts of the world they are quite
legal, perhaps not common, but legal nonetheless. They would not be
disregarded simply because we don't agree with them.
I for one will accord ANY legal union as it should be in Reunion - right on
the Family Card not buried away in a note - private or otherwise. We are
recording family history and even though a particular family unit may not
fit our own moral/ethical view it is still a family in the eyes of the law
in Canada. Genealogy is not only of descent. If this were the case, we
would all be lopping an incredible amount of records out of our databases.
James Sample
Toronto, Ont. (where that ruling took place)
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Warren White
Subject: "Mark Groups" Question
When I do a "Mark Groups" action, the resulting dialog box has an
entry that is a mystery to me.
The first three entries are "Ancestors of [me]"; "Ancestors of [my
wife]"; "Descendents of [me and my wife]" and then the one I don't
understand how it got chosen. It is "People related to Emma Ann
Fowler". Emma is in my file, but how did she get chosen to have the
special recognition?
I don't see the answer in the manual, but am I missing something
that I did to Emma to make her 'special?'
Warren
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: Larry
Subject: Re: Macintosh Reunion export for PC?
I have been a volunteer at a local FNC for more than 15 years, using Mac
the whole time and Reunion since at least 1990.
There has never been a problem getting data into the LDS database. I have
just exported to a PC floppy with GEDCOM, sent it in and voila there it is.
Of late I have done this online and submitted directly from the iMac hard
drive direct through the web to the LDS site.
Reunion 8 has a sunset of features for the LDS church and my friends who
are members have looked at it and said that the choices it offers are fine.
So there is really no hassle whatsoever using Mac Reunion to keep all the
data, and as one no longer needs to submit much of anything on disk - not
that I have seen at "my" FHC - your friend should have no hassles.
------------------------------
Date: June 27, 2003
From: N. Ratay
Subject: Re: Font size in Register report (HELP)
Dear Janice,
You said:
> When I print a register report it comes into Appleworks as "Times"
> font, size 10. My preference setting in appleworks is Times 12.
>
> When I increase the size to 12 of course all the citation reference
> superscripts increase to the same size and it looks TERRIBLE.
I also wish that I had more control over what comes out into my
Appleworks. However, just select all, then hit apple-shift-> keys two
times (to go from 10pt to 12pt on the main text). All the superscripts
just increment up two steps so the superscripts stay the appropriate
size. Have fun publishing! I sent notebooks to my family for Christmas a
year and a half ago.
Nancy Ratay
Denver, CO
------------------------------
Date: June 28, 2003
From: SallyLloyd
Subject: Reunion 8.0 Demo
Hi, I'm new to the list and was wondering whether sks can answer a question
about the demo for me. I have input some sample family files to see how
reunion works and when I create a personal report I notice that the text in
the memo field disappears off the edge of the page instead of being
automatically wrapped to the next line. Has anyone else seen this problem
and has it perhaps been fixed in the full version? I'm using OS 10.2.3 ...
I think .. only got the Mac yesterday after having been a PC owner for 10
years, so I feel as if I'm back in junior school :))
Thanks
Sally
------------------------------
Date: June 28, 2003
From: Paul S. Boyer
Subject: Basis of Genealogy
Reunion is a very versatile program. You can use it any way you wish,
and may you have fun with it.
However, if you are doing serious genealogy, it would be good to keep
in mind just what genealogy is: the study of descent. This is not just
my idea: check the dictionary, such as <http://www.m-w.com/home.htm>.
All human individuals originate from two parents: one male, and one
female. That process has been going on all through the history of the
human species, and far into prehistory, for hundreds of millions of
years, perhaps as long as there have been eucaryote organisms on the
Earth. There are some exceptional cases involving other organisms, but
there is no known human exception, so you can be very confident in
taking that as a constant. It is true regardless of the customs, law,
and folklore of your society. Even if a high court should decide
otherwise, the genetic origin of human individuals would still conform
to biological law, not necessarily to intellectual fashion.
Whether the conception of an individual was "legitimate," or "legal,"
is a social view. DNA molecules have no opinion on the matter, and
they are completely unable to care about it.
The basic reason for recording information on marriages is to get at
the origin of the children. It may be all we have to go by, absent any
DNA tests. To record as potential parents individuals of the same sex
makes no sense at all, because it is impossible for them to be the
biological parents of the children. I would certainly not throw the
information away, because in genealogy we always wish to know where
individuals were at various times, in order to try to complete the
puzzle of descent. All kinds of information, even of the most trivial
sort, can often shed light of descent.
One of the joys of genealogy is that we can take the skeleton of
genealogy and flesh it out with addition facts, stories, and even
family legends, and bring history into clearer focus, and even (in a
sense) alive. This is more than genealogy, but please: we should
remember what we are doing. Keep the information clear for those who
may come after. Those are very simple imperatives, and within those
guidelines, we can have much fun and satisfaction, and not look too
foolish in the future.
Paul S. Boyer
------------------------------
Date: June 29, 2003
From: Jude Gardner
Subject: Suddenly Cannot Import Gedcom file.
I'm on a Mac G-4, using OS X (10.2.6) and Reunion 5.06. A cousin sent
me a Gedcom file and I can't import it. In fact, it doesn't even show
up in my OPEN window. Yet, it has a .ged extension added to the family
name. I've been successfully importing Gedcoms for years. Has
something happened because of OS X? Suddenly I can't import a GEDCOM
file from a non-Mac genealogist, and I'm wondering why.
Of course, when I open Reunion, it reverts to the Classic OS. But why
do you suppose I can no longer import a Gedcom? I'd been doing it
successfully for years. Is she doing something wrong? I thought the
powerful Mac-Reunion industrial strength combo could handle it. It
always has before.
When I do a "Get Info" (Command I) and look at Preview I see the icon
for a blank piece of paper; i.e. A picture of a blank piece of paper,
slightly curled in the upper right hand corner. Is that out of the
ordinary? In looking at Preview of other imported Gedcom's I see
Version, Date, Destination, etc., but with this most recent one, just a
blank piece of paper.
Are there some instructions I should furnish to this cousin about how
to prepare the Gedcom file BEFORE sending it to me? I don't recall the
necessity for this previously.
Incidentally, the file has the .ged extension.
I would greatly appreciate some help.
Thank you,
Jude Gardner
Omaha
------------------------------
Date: June 29, 2003
From: Margit Kristiansen
Subject: Re: lost data
I did not save the original message, but I believe it was Alice or
Alicia who had lost her Reunion data and was hoping for a way to
reclaim it from her web site without having to re-key the information.
Today while browsing Mac news, I came across mention of a product
called VirtualLab Data Recovery Software
(http://www.binarybiz.com/vlab/index.php). Checking on VersionTracker
for user reviews, it would appear that this product just might recover
the lost data on the hard drive without having to ship the drive far
away to a drive repair facility. The demo version allows the recovery
of 1 MB data without cost. The few who did not give favorable reviews
to the product preferred Norton's, and perhaps that is another avenue
to explore before starting the tedious task of re-entering all the data.
So, for what it's worth, some alternatives to consider.
Margit
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: Lee Irwin
Subject: Days of the week vs. dates
When working with newspaper articles, like obituaries, items often record
events by the name of the day of the week, like "X passed away last
Saturday" or "Y&Z were married Tuesday afternoon." One often knows the
date of the newspaper article but doesn't know how many days ago "Saturday"
or "Tuesday" was.
I tried to find a calculator or universal calendar in Reunion but couldn't
find a function that would report that "Sep. 21, 1898 was a (Saturday.)"
Does anyone know how to do this?
Lee
ljirwin42@xxxxxxx_com
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: rosebob
Subject: Re: Days of the week vs. dates
In ReunionTalk Digest, of June 30, 2003, Lee Irwin says:
> When working with newspaper articles, like obituaries, items often record
> events by the name of the day of the week, like "X passed away last
> Saturday" or "Y&Z were married Tuesday afternoon." One often knows the
> date of the newspaper article but doesn't know how many days ago
> "Saturday" or "Tuesday" was.
>
> I tried to find a calculator or universal calendar in Reunion but couldn't
> find a function that would report that "Sep. 21, 1898 was a (Saturday.)"
>
> Does anyone know how to do this?
Lee, I do not believe that Reunion has this feature.
One can find universal calendars around in paper form. However, the way I
handle this is with the "day" function in MSExcel. Thus, entering
"=DAY(6/30/2003)" without the quotes into an Excel spreadsheet cell and
hitting return will elicit the answer "1" for Monday (the first day of the
week). Of course, there are some limitations on this because of Excel's
dependence on a particular calendar base and I doubt that it handles 'gap
day' from the time when the calendar was being adjusted. However, for the
last 100+ years, it is a start. I expect that other spreadsheet programs
have similar functions.
Also, for me there is a caveat, most references such as your examples can
be assumed to be within the last 7 days. However, I absolutely HATE that
word "assume", and generally try to get better confirmation than such a
calculation.
Alternately, if you are online try this website which claims to work back
to 1753
http://www.travelfurther.net/dates/datesrus.asp
or look at one of these for discussions on the subject
http://quasar.as.utexas.edu/BillInfo/doomsday.html
http://www.terra.es/personal2/grimmer/
Enjoy.
Bob Emnett
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: BNorthan
Subject: Re: days of the week
There is a perpetual calendar at
http://www.wiskit.com/calendar.html
Barbara Northan
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: Kathleen McLaughlin
Subject: Calculate date of death from date of obit.
> Message #6
> From: "Lee Irwin" <ljirwin42@xxxxxxx_com>
> Subject: Days of the week vs. dates
> One often knows the
> date of the newspaper article but doesn't know how many days ago
> "Saturday" or "Tuesday" was.
Easy. Put the date of the newspaper in as the date of death. Go the the
family card. Go to the List menu, then choose ages. It will tell what day
of the week the newspaper was published. Do your calculation and change the
date.
Kathleen
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: Marian Sorensen
Subject: Re: Days of the week vs. dates
"Lee Irwin" <ljirwin42@xxxxxxx_com> wrote:
> When working with newspaper articles, like obituaries, items often
> record events by the name of the day of the week, like "X passed away
> last Saturday" or "Y&Z were married Tuesday afternoon." One often knows
> the date of the newspaper article but doesn't know how many days ago
> "Saturday" or "Tuesday" was.
>
> I tried to find a calculator or universal calendar in Reunion but
> couldn't find a function that would report that "Sep. 21, 1898 was a
> (Saturday.)"
I have used the 10,000 year calendar at http://calendarhome.com/tyc/ for
figuring this out.
Marian
happysunnyday@xxxxxxx_net
------------------------------
Date: June 30, 2003
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Days of the week vs. dates
"Lee Irwin" <ljirwin42@xxxxxxx_com> wrote:
> When working with newspaper articles, like obituaries, items often
> record events by the name of the day of the week, like "X passed away
> last Saturday" or "Y&Z were married Tuesday afternoon." One often knows
> the date of the newspaper article but doesn't know how many days ago
> "Saturday" or "Tuesday" was.
>
> I tried to find a calculator or universal calendar in Reunion but
> couldn't find a function that would report that "Sep. 21, 1898 was a
> (Saturday.)"
What a great idea for an improved feature in the next version (hint
hint)! (Extending the Date Calculator to understand "the <first>
<Tuesday> <before> <date>" would be elegant way to implement it). How
much more Mac-like can you get? (And I ask that in all seriousness).
Until that happy day, here's a relatively simple work-around. Take
some unsuspecting person in your database (or even create an unlinked
individual for this very purpose; "Scratch, surname: Aaa" might be a
good pseudo-name). Note the birth date (or death date), perhaps
copying and pasting it into a note field or some such (skip this step
if "Scratch" is your assistant). Change that date to -in this
example- the newspaper's publication date. (Reunion may or may not
complain that this new date is ridiculous, depending on whether you
have Feasibility Checking turned on; courteously but firmly ignore
its protest for the time being; all will be restored soon). Select
List -> Ages... and make sure your temporary stooge's (or Scratch's)
tab is selected. The birth (or death) date line will list the day of
the week for the date you entered, in the second column from the
right. Depending on how close this is to the real date of interest,
you can simply count back on your fingers, or jot it down on a piece
of scratch paper. When you have it figured out, restore your stooge's
original date, and enter the new-found date in the appropriate field.
If you are using "Scratch", you needn't even restore the date;
"Scratch" won't mind. If "Scratch" is not connected to anyone, and
only has a birth date, Feasibility Checking will not complain, since
there are no other dates from which to calculate anything to complain
about. To find "Scratch" quickly in your database, give him/her the
surname "Aaa" (or however many As are necessary to put Scratch first
alphabetically in the Index). That way, "command-i, aaa, <return>"
will take you to "Scratch". The Back button will take you immediately
back to your person in question; the Back and Forward buttons enable
you to toggle back and forth between the two.
Ted
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: A.W. Neef
Subject: Re: Days of the week vs. dates
In 6/30/03 ReunionTalk, Lee Irwin wrote:
> I tried to find a calculator or universal calendar
> in Reunion but couldn't find a function that would
> report that "Sep. 21, 1898 was a (Saturday.)"
My HP-12C Business Calculator says Sep. 21, 1898 was a Wednesday.
Bill Neef Grass Lake, MI, USA <bneef@xxxxxxxxx_com>
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: charles judy
Subject: Re: days of week vs dates
Lee, consider this link for a perpetual calendar
http://www.vpcalendar.net/
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: "Mark Groups" Question
Warren White <warrenwhite@xxxxx_com> wrote:
> When I do a "Mark Groups" action, the resulting dialog box has an
> entry that is a mystery to me.
>
> The first three entries are "Ancestors of [me]"; "Ancestors of [my
> wife]"; "Descendents of [me and my wife]" and then the one I don't
> understand how it got chosen. It is "People related to Emma Ann
> Fowler". Emma is in my file, but how did she get chosen to have the
> special recognition?
>
> I don't see the answer in the manual, but am I missing something
> that I did to Emma to make her 'special?'
Warren,
What this means is that you've somehow marked Emma as what Reunion
calls the "Source Person". So if you were to get a list, for
instance, of all relatives, it would offer the option of getting them
for somebody on the currently displayed family card or for the
current source person -- Emma.
There may be another way to change that, but here's what I suggest:
go to your family card (with your wife and yourself displayed) and
choose Find Relatives. On that dialog, select yourself (or your
wife). And find the relatives. I always keep relationships turned
on myself, so I do this periodically to update those displays. But
this is where I'd go to change my source person. Hopefully, somebody
at Leister will tell us if there's a "more correct" way of
accomplishing this.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Ted Swift
Subject: Re: Suddenly Cannot Import Gedcom file
Jude Gardner <jgardner@xxxxx_com> wrote:
> I'm on a Mac G-4, using OS X (10.2.6) and Reunion 5.06. A cousin sent
> me a Gedcom file and I can't import it. In fact, it doesn't even show
> up in my OPEN window. Yet, it has a .ged extension added to the family
> name. I've been successfully importing Gedcoms for years. Has
> something happened because of OS X? Suddenly I can't import a GEDCOM
> file from a non-Mac genealogist, and I'm wondering why.
It IS odd that you've had success for years and this has suddenly
come up. Whether or not the file has the .ged extension or not won't
really help Reunion 5.06; the whole extension business helps OS X and
its native applications determine the file's ownership. But I suspect
this is a classic issue, in both senses (this has been a problem
within Reunion, and it is specific to the Classic operating system
environment).
Mac files have two hidden file attributes: Their TYPE and CREATOR.
Up until OS X these were used by the Finder to determine a file's
ownership- which program created the file, and what type of file it
was. A file with a generic document icon, such as you describe, is a
sign that the TYPE attribute is blank or something the Finder doesn't
recognize. Reunion is looking specifically for a file of Type TEXT,
and won't see files of Type "blank", etc.
The solution (discussed here often before, but often in need of
repeating) is to open the file (let's call it foo.ged) in your
favorite word processor, don't change anything, and simply go to Save
As... and save the file as TEXT ONLY with a new file name such as
foo1.ged. This causes your word processor to create a new file which
has the same information inside, but now is of TYPE TEXT. Now restart
Reunion (or simply bring Reunion to the front if it's already
running) and try opening the file again. It should appear in your
Open File dialog now.
Dear LeisterFolk: Could we please have this fixed by version 9?
Ted
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Suddenly Cannot Import Gedcom file.
Jude Gardner <jgardner@xxxxx_com> wrote:
***
> I'm on a Mac G-4, using OS X (10.2.6) and Reunion 5.06. A cousin sent
> me a Gedcom file and I can't import it. In fact, it doesn't even show
> up in my OPEN window. Yet, it has a .ged extension added to the family
> name. I've been successfully importing Gedcoms for years. Has
> something happened because of OS X? Suddenly I can't import a GEDCOM
> file from a non-Mac genealogist, and I'm wondering why.
>
> Of course, when I open Reunion, it reverts to the Classic OS. But why
> do you suppose I can no longer import a Gedcom? I'd been doing it
> successfully for years. Is she doing something wrong? I thought the
> powerful Mac-Reunion industrial strength combo could handle it. It
> always has before.
>
> When I do a "Get Info" (Command I) and look at Preview I see the icon
> for a blank piece of paper; i.e. A picture of a blank piece of paper,
> slightly curled in the upper right hand corner. Is that out of the
> ordinary? In looking at Preview of other imported Gedcom's I see
> Version, Date, Destination, etc., but with this most recent one, just a
> blank piece of paper.
>
> Are there some instructions I should furnish to this cousin about how
> to prepare the Gedcom file BEFORE sending it to me? I don't recall the
> necessity for this previously.
>
> Incidentally, the file has the .ged extension.
***
Jude,
This isn't related to OS X at all. Reunion 5.06 doesn't run in OS X,
so it's running as a Classic application. As a result, it's
experiencing that age old problem of not recognizing the file's "type
code", which has been discussed on this list gazillions of times, I'm
sure.
The solution can be any of several things. If you're comfortable
with tools that can edit a file's type/creator codes, you can change
it to "TEXT" (four letters, upper case). Alternatively, you can open
the file with any text editor or word processor of your choice
(SimpleText only works for very small files) and then do a Save As to
some other file name (make sure you save it until you're sure it's
good). Make absolutely positive that the new file is saved as a
text-only format. Some programs will say "ASCII Text", some "plain
text", etc. -- but it's got to be text, and not something like using
Word to save it as a Word file. The .ged extension isn't really
meaningful to Reunion, so what you name the file isn't really
important -- just don't overwrite the original until you've
successfully proven that it's importable.
Now you're good to go.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Gary McMillian
Subject: Re: Suddenly Cannot Import Gedcom file.
> Message #5
> From: Jude Gardner <jgardner@xxxxx_com>
> Subject: Suddenly Cannot Import Gedcom file.
I've observed the same behavior. Reunion doesn't recognize .ged files.
Simply change .ged to .txt and it will recognize the file. After all,
GEDCOM files are text files and can be edited with a text editor.
I've tried changing "Open with:" in Get Info to Reunion for all .ged
files, but this doesn't seem to fix the problem.
Gary
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Steve W. Jackson
Subject: Re: Reunion 8.0 Demo
Sally <SallyLloyd@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> Hi, I'm new to the list and was wondering whether sks can answer a
> question about the demo for me. I have input some sample family files
> to see how reunion works and when I create a personal report I notice
> that the text in the memo field disappears off the edge of the page
> instead of being automatically wrapped to the next line. Has anyone
> else seen this problem and has it perhaps been fixed in the full
> version? I'm using OS 10.2.3 ... I think .. only got the Mac yesterday
> after having been a PC owner for 10 years, so I feel as if I'm back in
> junior school :))
***
Sally,
Welcome to the list, and to the Mac community. I assume you meant
Leister rather than "sks" above, but...
What shows up in reports is mostly a function of where you sent the
output. Reunion lets you select your preferred word processor, but
I'm reasonably sure that they haven't tried to make the program
understand all the data formats available for them. Instead, the
content is probably placed there in an RTF format, or perhaps as
styled text. So it's quite likely that whatever trouble you're
seeing is related to your word processor settings (or possibly layout
settings in Reunion itself, but I'd consider this less likely). Feel
free to provide more info and somebody here can probably help get it
ironed out, as this list is frequented by people with a wide variety
of experiences and expertise.
= Steve =
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Edgar Dohmann
Subject: Re: Reunion 8.0 Demo
Sally <SallyLloyd@xxx_com> wrote:
***
> Hi, I'm new to the list and was wondering whether sks can answer a
> question about the demo for me. I have input some sample family files
> to see how reunion works and when I create a personal report I notice
> that the text in the memo field disappears off the edge of the page
> instead of being automatically wrapped to the next line. Has anyone
> else seen this problem and has it perhaps been fixed in the full
> version? I'm using OS 10.2.3 ... I think .. only got the Mac yesterday
> after having been a PC owner for 10 years, so I feel as if I'm back in
> junior school :))
***
Welcome to the list, Sally. And also welcome to the wonderful world of
Mac!
I'm using Reunion 8.03 under OS10.2.6 with MS Word selected as my Word
Processor preference for Reunion. If I do a Print Preview, the Memo
field info does run off the edge of the page as you described but if I
generate a real report to Word, all the text is there with line
wrapping as you would expect.
The Print Preview feature is just there to give an idea of what the
report will look like when it is printed. It is not necessarily an
exact representation of what the final report will look like.
Go ahead, buy a full copy of Reunion 8 - you'll be glad you did. It's
better than ANY genealogy program for PCs. I would also suggest that
you download an OSX upgrade from the Apple web site to bring your
system up to 10.2.6 and grab a free copy of Safari (the Apple web
browser) while you're at it. It beats MSIE for most things.
Best regards,
Edgar Dohmann
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Steven Byars
Subject: Re: Basis of Genealogy
"Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@xxxxxxxx_net> sayeth:
> Reunion is a very versatile program. You can use it any way you wish,
> and may you have fun with it.
>
> However, if you are doing serious genealogy, it would be good to keep in
> mind just what genealogy is: the study of descent. This is not just my
> idea: check the dictionary, such as <http://www.m-w.com/home.htm>.
Well, just can't resist this one...
The implication that "serious genealogy" is limited to recording
relationships simply isn't true for the vast majority of people invovled
in genealogy. Birth and death dates have more meaning than simple tools
to place a persons generation. To purists, perhaps the invasion of thier
sacred ground by "Family History" is sacrlidge. For the rest of us, it's
the best part of the game.
Point of fact: "Pure Genealoy" probably doesn't exist. Partly the old
"things you known, that just ain't so" problem. Partly poor record
keeping, or plain lying. Partly the problem of actually identifying the
biological parents. Partly the ability, logic, and thuroghness of the
genealogist. Partly a lot of things. Appropriately, in genealogy, figures
of merit range from 0.1-99.0. There being no 100% surity.
Someone gave a garbled description of relationships the other day, saying
that the Jewish people were matriarchial. They are not. They are
Patriarchial --- and matrilineal. And it is because Jews count
descendancy from the female line that they are matrilineal, NOT the other
way around.
And this whole argument/discussion seems a bit silly in any case. I do
genealogy because I'm interested in ALL the aspects of my family, thier
lineage, thier history, thier stories. To me, that's all part of what has
worked together to make me who I am (not that I've got much of a clue
about that either). I seek my family, not a bunch of skeletons to hang in
my closet. The DNA/RNA strings may or may not be contigious, but, to me,
they are still family, and I'll record them as such.
The basis of this digression? Same sex relationships. It happens. It's in
my family, I record it as such. Please, a little toleration. For
genealogists. For family historians. For gay people.
STEVE
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Date: June 30, 2003
From: Danny Evarts
Subject: Re: Basis of Genealogy
In response to Paul S. Boyer...
Yes, perhaps the definition of genealogy might technically be, "An
account of a person's descent from an ancestor or ancestors, by
enumeration of the intermediate people; a pedigree." (Shorter Oxford
English Dictionary, Fifth Edition). And perhaps some concern
themselves solely with this highly limited and sterile view of their
research. But someone involved in "serious genealogy" would never
limit themselves to such a definition, and would instantly see the
flaws in doing so. Even our most respected and well-known associations
and publications, such as The American Genealogist and the New England
Historic Genealogical Society, do not hold themselves to this narrow
view. And with good reason.
The social, political and personal histories of the people in our
past have as much significance on our research as do any other
information we may find, be it hard "fact" or dry data. Without these
keys and notes, we cannot gain a true picture or understanding of these
people, which is often necessary to flesh out difficult spots of data.
Migrations, "forced" marriages, multiple marriages, same-sex partners,
achievements and the like are all clues telling us who may or may not
have been the parents of someone we're researching. Was a person
mentioned in a will or document because they were related or because
they were a life-long friend? If a man or woman was known to have had
affairs outside marriage, who was the real father or mother of their
child? There are far too many reasons and situations to enumerate in
which it is necessary to know more about people, places or entities
from a social perspective. To limit oneself to such a narrow view as
defined in a dictionary definition of genealogy is detrimental not only
to the research, but to our own continued enjoyment of the pursuit,
whether it be as a profession or a hobby (research without it would be
extremely dull).
The phrase "family history" goes hand-in-hand with the word
genealogy for good reason. Those people who raised children, whether
biological or not, are just as important to the picture as those who
bred them, and often more so. Those siblings or relatives who did not
have children, for whatever reason, may hold the key to an otherwise
unanswerable question. Knowing such things can only serve to
illuminate and enliven our research. Ignoring them, or granting them a
lower status than mere biological functions, would not only be
negligent, but would be a much likelier candidate for making one "look
foolish in the future" than would presenting all known data and letting
a future researcher build their own picture of events.
Danny Evarts
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